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re: Relegation

Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:36 am to
Posted by southernboisb
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:36 am to
Spelling in Arkansas?
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:50 am to
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I can see that. BUT, smaller conference size = MORE conferences.

So...which is the better option?


hmm, that is a huge question that the NCAA is dragging its feet on. It seems like we cannot avoid going toward four sixteen-team leagues.

I started watching CF in the 80s and these smaller conferences were radial ( meaning, for the most part, they had a regional hub. Now WVU is a sojourner in a foreign land that was willing to accept it.)

So getting to larger leagues could actually help with this if they are correctly halved into smaller, correct divisions.

I actually miss the 'hapless' Big East and lament the day it lost its football weight. It pushed bad teams into the ACC and Big10. VT and Miami were awesome at this time.

Rutgers, Syracuse and BC didn't belong in a power5 conference. I also think that Utah and TCU messed things up due to the desperation of the Pac and big12.

Now, here we are, with a chance to not screw it up. We have 65 P5 teams. Don't give the PAC14 another chance to add a BYU or BSU to get to 16. Just go ahead and rip the bandaid off and get 64 of these 65 teams in 4 large leagues or 8 smaller ones.

Staying in 8-team leagues will definitely allow UGA/UF/USC to play their ACC opponents. It will allow USCw and ND to play. It gets Mizz into a better region for them. It could possibly create better attendance by making more compact leagues.

Sorry, but Rutgers is out. Someone has to go.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 6:59 am
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:18 am to
quote:

I can see that. BUT, smaller conference size = MORE conferences.

So...which is the better option?


If they were all 14 team leagues, I know they aren’t.

That would give you 10 teams from the power 5 and leave each league with 12. Then you take the 2 highest ranked out of the top 25 for the G5 and put them in the relegation league. For this to work you have to say these 6 leagues are the only ones making the playoffs.

Anyway that gives you 6 leagues with 12 teams each year. Make a conference championship for each of the 6 leagues with auto bids. Then the next 2 playoff spots are for the highest ranked from the 6 leagues.

I thought of this while watching Ted Lasso a little tipsy. I think it would work though.

Negatives I’m seeing so far are return games, but who cares if you get a return game from a bottom 2 of 14 school. Rivalries could be broken but a 9 game in conference format with 3 OOC/Rival games could work. Make it to where they have to schedule someone from the new G6 and no more directional schools.

Would Ohio State, Bama, and Clemson then try to get Kansas/Rutgers in a 10 year contract? Probably.
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:17 am to
quote:

If they were all 14 team leagues, I know they aren’t.

That would give you 10 teams from the power 5 and leave each league with 12. Then you take the 2 highest ranked out of the top 25 for the G5 and put them in the relegation league. For this to work you have to say these 6 leagues are the only ones making the playoffs.

Anyway that gives you 6 leagues with 12 teams each year. Make a conference championship for each of the 6 leagues with auto bids. Then the next 2 playoff spots are for the highest ranked from the 6 leagues.

I thought of this while watching Ted Lasso a little tipsy. I think it would work though.

Negatives I’m seeing so far are return games, but who cares if you get a return game from a bottom 2 of 14 school. Rivalries could be broken but a 9 game in conference format with 3 OOC/Rival games could work. Make it to where they have to schedule someone from the new G6 and no more directional schools.

Would Ohio State, Bama, and Clemson then try to get Kansas/Rutgers in a 10 year contract? Probably.


I would just like to whittle the majors down to either:

4 sixteen team leagues
8 eight team leagues
5 twelve team leagues (5 teams are going to get left out of the majors)
6 ten team leagues (5 teams are going to get left out)

Actually relegate these teams permanently.


If you do the 5 or 6 leagues, you can actually include mid majors in the playoff, but it's a huge 120+ team mess.

Time to rip the bandaid off and just get down to 64 and go with an 8 team playoff with no at larges.....make winning your conference a big deal again. There are only 7 teams in your division.....beat them.even if LSU and Alabama are in the same league, LSU still has to beat alabama and in an 8 team league, it is what it is....if you can't beat them in regular season, then so be it.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 11:23 am
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7290 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 5:41 pm to
I think that if you go to 16 team conferences (I still feel the B12 will be dissolved), then you'ld go to 4X4 pods. Those may (not) be generated based on geography. For example, You could make the argument for GA/FL/SC/Team 4, or GA/FL/Ala./Aub., or GA/FL/TN/Vandy, or who knows what?
The key factor would be keeping rivalries in place. HOWEVER, 16 teams would automatically make a 9 conf. game schedule......making old rivalries (like Fl./Aub.) or long standing (MSU/Ala.) a yearly event again.

Whatever the case, there isn't much wiggle room with 14 teams in good/balanced scheduling. Unfortunately, any odd # scheduling makes the odd/even H/A debate rear it's ugly head.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 5:42 pm
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7290 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 5:45 pm to
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Staying in 8-team leagues will definitely allow UGA/UF/USC to play their ACC opponents.


Don't forget Kentucky/Louisville.

There's 4 SEC/ACC inter-state rivalries.....ironcally ALL in the East.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7290 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 5:48 pm to
I forget.....is ND a P5 team or independent?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7290 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 5:51 pm to
Another con I see is team(s) having to constantly change everything each time they swap leagues/conferences. Doubt that's going to cheap.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7290 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 5:55 pm to
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There are only 7 teams in your division.....beat them


My & everybody else's MAIN POINT on why the B12 does/did NOT need a champ. game.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30214 posts
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:47 am to
I don't know either.

ND i would think is still actually independent with a tittysuckle need for the acc.
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