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re: Question About Ags being “Overrated”
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:55 am to TigerinKorea
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:55 am to TigerinKorea
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Ok. Just read it. It totally changed my mind. We're screwed!
You still didn’t answer it. I’m not predicting an outcome. Saying you’re screwed isn’t logical or related to the question at hand.
What would it take for this to be a valid trend that justifies this ranking? A repeated season? Two? Only a natty? Objectively answer with relevant information please.
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Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:57 am to BigSneezy
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Okay. I understand your logic. We’re overrated. But you’re not at 13. But if we beat you then you’re a bad LSU team. But if we win, then we’re overrated. Huh?
So by that logic you do believe that A&M should be ranked above you because you concede they would beat you as you’re a “bad LSU team”? You’re own arguments when applied don’t pass the sniff test when real analysis is done on the data given.
Who should be above A&M? Name them. Justify it based on current or at least recent trends or current team status.
I objectively could see a few teams but not many.
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Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:57 am to Bronco Calrissian
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A&M isn't overrated but we have never won anything. So I don't see A&M in same tier as Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson.
Neither do I. I agree with that. Completely.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:59 am to KaiserSoze99
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Welcome to rRant.
A little advice:
Never take yourself or anyone else on this site seriously. Everybody's an a-hole. Everybody's gay. Everybody fricks his sister. Everybody rides everybody else's dick.
if you came here for a rational discussion, I hate to disappoint you.
Embrace it. You're a sheep fricking gay boy. Welcome to the club.
Okay. I’ll count that response as noise in my responses. But that’s damn funny.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:59 am to BigSneezy
We are replacing QB and pieces of the OL. The media has questions if we can maintain from last year. They don't know the program like we do so it makes sense
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:02 am to BigSneezy
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relevant information please.
As if yours is?! How arrogant of you.
Here's what's relevant. We've been the winningest program in the SEC in the last 21 years. Look it up. We are second in the SEC with three national titles since 2000. We are 8-2 versus A&M since they joined the SEC. Our recruiting has not dipped. Last year was an anomaly.
Congratulations on the best season in the history of your school (fake season)(unable to win division). But it's over. A&M will be in the top twenty to top fifteen range, just as they always are. History consistantly tells us A&M is "all hat, and no cattle". Next year will be no different. A&M is highly overrated at #6.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 9:07 am
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:02 am to BigSneezy
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Then I look at coaching stability. Your defense recovering from Bo is on the upswing. But ours will return 6 super seniors as well as current seniors to the same coach as before. Elko is head coach material in his own right. And respectfully we for you beat on the coaching front now. Talent wise. We are near equals. But I give our preparedness and our will to win the nod over LSU right now.
This is all homer garbage.
Your "scientist" card has been revoked.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:04 am to KaiserSoze99
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if you came here for a rational discussion, I hate to disappoint you.
There was one bama fan that one time that had a rational thread. It seems like the OP is actually trying. About half the time I try. Sometimes so do you.
There’s at least 4 people on here that sometimes want to talk football.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 9:05 am
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:06 am to ColoradoAg
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We are replacing QB and pieces of the OL. The media has questions if we can maintain from last year. They don't know the program like we do so it makes sense
Actually I would put UNC ahead of us. I would put us at 7. I’m just trying to see if these LSU guys have any reasoning beyond “your aggy”, “your gay”, “your not LSU”, “you’ve never been there” or anything like that. So far I have found only 1 LSU grad that reasonably sees us as top ten. I agree with that. So there’s hope. But not much.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:08 am to BigSneezy
Most of us use “you’re” btw
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:10 am to BigSneezy
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If they do a repeat of last year this year, are they still overrated then?
Because neither out come is certain. On one hand last year seems like an anomaly but in the other there are reasons for said outcome (new coach and such).
I’m just wondering what trend of data influences this opinion? Two 1 loss season. Three? Four?
Or is this an opinion that will never be fairly evaluated on recent data?
Well its the case of Bayesian Probability. Your coach and fan base talk about how y'all are going to win a national championship, "Beat Alabama's arse" per Jimbo, and exaggerate your seasons accomplishments. For instance, last year. Y'all think y'all had an amazing season! Y'all beat Vandy by 5, didn't even get a sip of Gatorade before you lost to Bama, pulled an upset of Fla you should have lost like LSU., and beat the dumpster fire that was LSU last year. It was a good season yes. But you showed all season that you were very vulnerable and if you played a decent team you would lose. Thats overrated. Every fall, you start the season playing next to no one. Like this year. You should be undefeated by the time you get to Bama. Your team will barely make it through the first games, make Colorado fans believe they have a have decent team, etc. But the networks will give you a top 10 rating. You will lose 3 games this year, bank on it. Jimbo is overrated (look at FSU after you lose an NFL QB, WR, RB, S, etc.). And before you talk about Coach O, just remember you started the thread about A&M being overrated, not LSU or Coach O. The verdict is this year for Coach O.
I digress about Bayesian Probability. Its the probability of what you perceive should happen. Every year, your team's fanbase, coaches and sometimes the polls, put up high expectations of winning probability. Others, change the perception of this and start noticing you and rate you has a potential great team. Your team flounders and fails when they shouldn't to teams that are underrated. So at the beginning of every season until September, people think a lot of you when really you are just a middle of the road SEC team (look at your past SEC records). Until you break through, you don't deserve to be considered over GA (also traditionally overrated but wins divisions), Auburn, Florida, or LSU. You are the 3/4/5 best team in the West.
LSU is different, you win a Natty, your fan base always remembers that championship year. To me, I would rather go winless for 9 years and win a championship 1. GA and A&M, your fans don't have that year. Until you do, you are at best a gate keeper. Thus being overrated. When something or at least be in the conversation for more than one year and you will meet expectations.
Just the opinion of a statistician.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:12 am to TigerinKorea
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As if yours is?! How arrogant of you.
Here's what's relevant. We've been the winningest program in the SEC in the last 21 years. Look it up. We are second in the SEC with three national titles since 2000. We are 8-2 versus A&M since they joined the SEC. Our recruiting has not dipped. Last year was an anomaly.
Congratulations on the best season in the history of your school (fake season)(unable to win division). But it's over. A&M will be in the top twenty to top fifteen range, just as they always are. History consistantly tells us A&M is "all hat, and no cattle". Next year will be no different.
Nope. Not arrogance. Just scientific reasoning. Outcomes in events are due to things that effect said events. Outcomes in football games are not driven by previous history from 21 years ago. This isn’t arrogance. It’s fact. And I know the historical data.
I also know that historically small pox has killed millions. But that doesn’t mean it happens now. Why? Events have changed. That’s why. We have a vaccine. My point is your analysis is scientifically crap.
Now that being said. We don’t have enough data on Jimbo to definitely state anything. I agree that last years means nothing from the Aggies perspective. Which is why I asked the question what data would it take? Perhaps you also need to re read the question.
My goodness...
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:15 am to BigSneezy
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Just scientific reasoning.
You're funny. Seriously.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:15 am to BigSneezy
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:19 am to dkreller
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Then I look at coaching stability. Your defense recovering from Bo is on the upswing. But ours will return 6 super seniors as well as current seniors to the same coach as before. Elko is head coach material in his own right. And respectfully we for you beat on the coaching front now. Talent wise. We are near equals. But I give our preparedness and our will to win the nod over LSU right now.
This is all homer garbage.
Your "scientist" card has been revoked.
I see why you would say that but there isn’t any relevant data to rely on each game has strange occurrences involved since Jimbo has been here. And evaluation of data prior to Jimbo isn’t relevant data either. So there is none.
Granted. I was speculating. We have no data for LSU versus A&M. If gun to my head you asked me, I would’ve choose the Aggies based on coaching. But that’s hardly scientific because LSU staff is an unknown defensively now. So that wasn’t a scientific opinion. Just a hunch. Hardly scientific. And yes, worthy of card revoking. I’ll try to do better. I was just tempted to speculate because there wasn’t any data to use.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:19 am to BigSneezy
Ok you want real discussion? I don't know shite about Aggy football except for the following:
A. Your new QB couldn't beat out Kellon Mond (garbage can)
B. Your o-line is replacing a lot of bodies
C. On paper you all have a great stable of backs but refer to points A and B
So nobody can really comment on if Aggy is overrated or underrated. Hell how can anyone truly judge any team based on the abortion of a season last year. Annually, preseason rankings are nothing more than fluff. All teams are a big unknown until the games start getting played. These points are significantly emphasized due to the Covid season.
Anyone who's saying Aggy is overrated is just trolling the shite out our ya'll because it's just good sport.
A. Your new QB couldn't beat out Kellon Mond (garbage can)
B. Your o-line is replacing a lot of bodies
C. On paper you all have a great stable of backs but refer to points A and B
So nobody can really comment on if Aggy is overrated or underrated. Hell how can anyone truly judge any team based on the abortion of a season last year. Annually, preseason rankings are nothing more than fluff. All teams are a big unknown until the games start getting played. These points are significantly emphasized due to the Covid season.
Anyone who's saying Aggy is overrated is just trolling the shite out our ya'll because it's just good sport.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:22 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Most of us use “you’re” btw
Yeah. I’m highly qualified in mathematical analysis. Not so much in grammar. My apologies. Feel free to disparage my grammar . I concede this battle in advance.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:29 am to dkreller
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Anyone who's saying Aggy is overrated is just trolling the shite out our ya'll because it's just good sport.
Nah, I am looking at historical records and betting odds. They have one 10 win season in the last 9. They should be better than that, they were recruiting Texas solely on being an SEC team. Look it up, the recruiting pamphlet has SEC bigger than the A&M logo. The whole program is overrated as LSU was before the 2000s. Good seasons don't make great programs. Great seasons makes great programs. I see Fisher , who I think is overrated and overpaid, trying to drum up hype because lets be honest, if that the best they get he is on the hottest. A&M will always be a fraud until they prove it over quite a few years. Even Arkansas was able to put multiple seasons together under BP.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:32 am to dkreller
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Ok you want real discussion? I don't know shite about Aggy football except for the following:
A. Your new QB couldn't beat out Kellon Mond (garbage can)
B. Your o-line is replacing a lot of bodies
C. On paper you all have a great stable of backs but refer to points A and B
So nobody can really comment on if Aggy is overrated or underrated. Hell how can anyone truly judge any team based on the abortion of a season last year. Annually, preseason rankings are nothing more than fluff. All teams are a big unknown until the games start getting played. These points are significantly emphasized due to the Covid season.
Anyone who's saying Aggy is overrated is just trolling the shite out our ya'll because it's just good sport.
Great take. This is why I asked what would it take to convince you. I agree with B and C above. I don’t agree with A.
Jimbo is a QB coach. He is focused on development of players above winning. I truly believe this. For this reason, I don’t believe he will ever throw a QB away if he thinks he can build them into what he wants. Ever. Our current QB has four seasons with his COVID season remaining. Plenty of time to develop.
Plus, there’s another dynamic you’re probably not aware of. Mond let an effort on campus to have statues removed the spring season of his junior year for social justice reasons. Many in the locker room would have not seen his removal as a football only decision. And I am certain it would have blown up the team if Jimbo would have done that.
None of this is because of the current ability of our current QB. He’s solid. Trust me.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:37 am to thetruth
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Nah, I am looking at historical records and betting odds. They have one 10 win season in the last 9. They should be better than that, they were recruiting Texas solely on being an SEC team. Look it up, the recruiting pamphlet has SEC bigger than the A&M logo. The whole program is overrated as LSU was before the 2000s. Good seasons don't make great programs. Great seasons makes great programs. I see Fisher , who I think is overrated and overpaid, trying to drum up hype because lets be honest, if that the best they get he is on the hottest. A&M will always be a fraud until they prove it over quite a few years. Even Arkansas was able to put multiple seasons together under BP.
I agree with some of this. Data more than 3 years ago is irrelevant and actually many times opposed to betting odds. So your system is opposed to itself.
I agree that one season doesn’t make a program. That’s why I asked the question in the OP. What will it take? Would another like the last do? Two? Please re read the question if it helps. But good points, sort of.
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