re: Program with the better 5 year outlook....

You are totally taking what I said and twisting it in to something irrelevant and off-topic. Nutt recruited 2 juco's, one of which, Hornsby, is probably not coming in b/c another guy they didn't think would qualify made it. So that is one O-linemen he recruited from the juco ranks and it's pretty common knowledge Ed-O left them without depth at O-line and secondary. One area Nutt left depth was o-line. What I am saying is it certainly does not appear necessary to take a chance on a felon like Zahmal Thomas when at best you get half a season that you were rebuilding again anyway, and quality season2 out of him (at best) when that scholly could have been used on a 5 year player with no baggage had they recruited a little harder. When you use 3 schollies on juco secondary players that is kind of scarey b/c those guys are going to be gone after 2010 if they all stay in school that long. So that is a big whole that is going to have to be replenished with 2 or 3 more jucos in order to make up for what would have been 3 upperclassmen. I understand why he recruited them but relying heavily on 3 of those type of players in one recruit class is pretty scarey. I could understand 1 or 2, but that's a posistion we would have been better off in the long run had he recruited a little harder and found some highschool guys like Jesse Grandy to grow into the posistion. by 2011 or 2012 we might be real good in some posistions but rebuilding again at secondary when we didn't have to. I think Petrino himself is probabaly not a particularly good in-home recruiter b/c he's not personable, and he's gonna have to take chances on alot of these baggage juco transfers that he really doesn't have to even recruit.

It will be very interesting to see how many jucos Petrino brings in again this year b/c if he's counting on 1/2 the starters being jucos each year and abandoning his relationship with the Arkansas highschool kids, that could eventually take 4 or 5 years to recover from. I'm not ready to say 100% sure that is what he is doing, but it sure looks that way. It's called taking short cuts. It always leaves a program in a hole years later. There are alot of examples of it throughout college football history. It caught up with Jackie Sherril at Mississiippi state. It caught up with one of those Arizona programs real bad in the 90's. I think Pelphrey is going to run in to some problems with it. He already has.

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wildrebeltime

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It's obvious that your disdain for Petrino is based solely on your love for the Nutts.

Where do you get off stating that recruiting jucos has always came back to bite him for example? Didn't seem to bite him at Louisville, nor did it affect them after he had left, the drop off in production was directly on the ineptitude of his replacement, not in the parts left to him.

We were an extremely young team when Petrino took over. Unlike some I won't play the untalented card, Nutt left some talent at certain positions whether some want to admit it or not. You can NOT win in the SEC with a young team though, not unless you're UF and can just overwhelm everyone with raw talent. Petrino is not the sort of coach that creates a 5 year plan to become a successful program, he's the kind of coach who wants to win immediately; the way to do that is to add some immediate experience to the mix. Which is exactly what he's done. Less than 10% of his signees are JUCO's or transfers from other schools, so how is that ruining a program?

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Your posts get more and more idiotic by the day.

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It takes two idiots to argue....just sayin

oh ok.

you put my mind at ease. Thanks Choctaw

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had he recruited a little harder and found some highschool guys like Jesse Grandy to grow into the posistion.

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Grandy is a nice player for 5' 11" weighing 155 LBS. So, tell us o expert of college football, which one these signees should Petrino not have signed in order to sign Grandy? Obviously, you make a good living with your college football knowledge so you should know.

• CB Darius Winston (W. Memphis, AR) 6’, 180 lbs, 4.38 (Could have sign with any school he wanted)
• CB David Gordon 6’ (Tulsa, OK) , 175, 4.4 (offered by OU, OSU, Michigan, LSU, Texas A & M, Mich. State, Miami, FL and others). Petrino commented during the SEC media days that Gordon was the fastest play he’s ever seen.
• Athlete Ross Rasner (Waco, TX) 6’ 200 4.6 (a Tony Bua clone)
• DB Jerry Mitchell (Mandeville, LA) 6’ 2” 198, 4.5 (recruited by Florida State, NC State, LSU and others)
• LB/S Terrell Williams (Tulsa, OK) 6’ 2” 210 4.58 (offered by Neb, Stanford, Ole Miss, OSU, Oregon State, TN, TCU and many others)
• WR/DB Lance Ray (Havana, FL) 6’ 2”, 185 4.35 (offers from Missouri, South Carolina, Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky, Illinois, and others).

Grandy is a smaller, slower Reggie Fish. Why the hell would Petrino want him?

I'd say take Grandy over Andru Stuart. Stuart went through spring and has already had some sort of reported personal problem causing him to sit out.

Nutt snagged Grandy away. I can't really fault BP for losing a south west Ark kid to Oxford b/c Oxford is closer. I was at that highschool all star game and Grandy is about 175 and runs a sub 4.4. He had a real good game.

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I'd say take Grandy over Andru Stuart

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I saw Stuart play in the spring game and he will help this year as a backup. Grandy wouldn't be able to help until his Jr. or Sr. year if at all.

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Nutt snagged Grandy away.

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Nutt snagged Grandy away from the likes of Tulane, ASU, Louisiana Tech and Tulsa, The Hogs had a passing interest but it was a conditional offer. I suppose the conditions weren't right.

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you put my mind at ease. Thanks Choctaw

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You're welcome, TH.

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so lets go ahead and put this argument to bed. Auburn, like always, has better outlook 3 years, 5 years, 10 years from now and always will. They have more resources they have more tradition they have had much more success historically against the SEC they have a bigger stadium. they have a bigger fanbase And most importantly They have a much deeper recruiting base. we are 7-10-1 against them all-time and should have lost last years game had Tuberville not totally fricked up his offense. So call it a moral 6-11-1. We may win a few games vs them, but over the course of 50 years they'll win 35 matchups

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Read elsewhere in the thread and you will see that they in fact do not have more resources, a deeper tradition, or a much deeper recruiting base. As for your moral win last year, all I can is scoreboard, that's ALL that matters.

Once again, you're so queer for Houston Nutt that it isn't even funny.