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Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:26 am to sms151t
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:26 am to sms151t
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Any coach in any situation would never respond to a "feeler" if Pel or any coach was still employed. If that ever got out you talked about a job someone already held you would never get hired anywhere else.
bullshite. It doesn't make Petrino look very good, but what about his "secret" interview with Auburn officials before Tuberville was ever fired? Feelers being put out is not uncommon, and coaches are not above entertaining the notion of securing a job that another man currently holds.
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:28 am to SugarHog
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And who the frick would work for a school that was running around talking to people about their interest in a job that wasn't even open? that was my point.
Job has been unofficially open for awhile, when they tell the public is well after all this stuff is hashed out. Pel knew he was out if he lost in the tourney. when he lost feelers went out unofficially...coaches comment through their agent unofficially and secretively so word doesn't get out.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:29 am to FleaMarketBill
Petrino is a POS and was ridiculed as was Auburn.
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 12:31 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:29 am to KyleOrtonsMustache
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:33 am to sms151t
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Peteino is a POS and was ridiculed as was Auburn.
That's your opinion and I'm fine with that. I was just showing you that this statement
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Any coach in any situation would never respond to a "feeler" if Pel or any coach was still employed
is a load of shite.
Coaching changes don't happen over night. There is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that happens when dealing with a situation like this. This is all business and nothing personal. You guys are acting like they are cheating on Pelphrey by going behind his back.
ETA: I don't believe they have been "going behind his back" He has known his situation all along. He understands how the process works.
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 12:35 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:36 am to sms151t
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Petrino is a POS and was ridiculed as was Auburn.
yes but that was a weird deal and it was never supposed to get out or be handled like that, most of the time these things don't get out.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:40 am to FleaMarketBill
No I'm telling you that you don't make contact until job is open. Having worked for a Division 1 school in athletic department, no AD Coach or admin would commit career suicide like that, especially when there are so many leaks now. Why put yourself in a situation for a nasty backlash.
It was Auburns Board not Athletic Dept that "interviewed" Petrino.
It was Auburns Board not Athletic Dept that "interviewed" Petrino.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:40 am to oklahogjr
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Job has been unofficially open for awhile, when they tell the public is well after all this stuff is hashed out. Pel knew he was out if he lost in the tourney. when he lost feelers went out unofficially...coaches comment through their agent unofficially and secretively so word doesn't get out.
I realize that pretty much everyone knew that Arkansas would fire Pelphrey barring a miracle in the SECT, but that doesn't mean the school was out gauging interest from certain coaches before they officially fired him.
Now did some booster take it upon himself to contact someone who knew someone? Probably so. But there is absolutely noway the school was out asking other coaches about their interest in a job that was currently not vacant.
In every instance that I can think of that a currently employed coach was approached about another job that job was already filled, except one, Auburn when the tried to hire Petrino while Tube was still there. And both they and Petrino were crucified for it, and rightfully so IMHO.
And that is totally ignoring my original point which is that when rumors of Nutt talking to other schools about their vacancies while still employed at Arkansas were running rampant our fans acted aghast at the idea of a coach talking to another school, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, it appears that those same people are quite comfortable with out school poaching other school's coaches.
And for the record, I don't like it either way, I feel coaches should honor their contracts, but I'll take Anderson, Self, Tubby, Lavin, or Pitino should they happen and not worry about them not honoring their contracts
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:44 am to oklahogjr
ok here is my outline of how a coaching change works
1. coach at school A is told your pretty much done lets work out the severance package.
2. School A contacts agents and "coaches camps" they have connections to on their short list of coaches they'd want to hire.
3. Once the severance deal is set up they set the time for the press conference.
4. some agents and coaches camps come back and say either no or we'd consider talking about it more at a later date.
5. Coach from school A is officially let go
6. Tournament progresses and coaches become available for talks and interviews.
7. sometimes coaches will interview other times they will say you can hire me but i'm not interviewing or competing.
8. they work from top responding candidate to last responding candidate in order of value School A places on them
9. They select the closest to the top choice they can get.
10. Coach lets his current school know
11. Coach signs the deal his agent negotiated for him
12. press conferences are held for both School A announcing and School be announcing their coaching search.
1. coach at school A is told your pretty much done lets work out the severance package.
2. School A contacts agents and "coaches camps" they have connections to on their short list of coaches they'd want to hire.
3. Once the severance deal is set up they set the time for the press conference.
4. some agents and coaches camps come back and say either no or we'd consider talking about it more at a later date.
5. Coach from school A is officially let go
6. Tournament progresses and coaches become available for talks and interviews.
7. sometimes coaches will interview other times they will say you can hire me but i'm not interviewing or competing.
8. they work from top responding candidate to last responding candidate in order of value School A places on them
9. They select the closest to the top choice they can get.
10. Coach lets his current school know
11. Coach signs the deal his agent negotiated for him
12. press conferences are held for both School A announcing and School be announcing their coaching search.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:45 am to oklahogjr
No on 2 and 4
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:45 am to sms151t
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No I'm telling you that you don't make contact until job is open. Having worked for a Division 1 school in athletic department, no AD Coach or admin would commit career suicide like that, especially when there are so many leaks now. Why put yourself in a situation for a nasty backlash.
Oh yeah because everybody operates with a sense of morality. Nobody in the history of sports has ever made a decision that resulted in career suicide. You worked for how many Athletic deparments? Are you insinuating that every athletic department operates the same way? When the powers that be decide that the coach will be fired, then the job is officially open. It does not matter when they address the public, because that is well after the coach has been informed he is to be let go. I can assure you that the coaches high on the list, weren't sitting around watching T.V. going oh wow ole Pelphrey was fired at Arkansas.
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 12:48 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:51 am to FleaMarketBill
Quit reaching, you're making your argument seem even worse. NACDA AFCA BCA NABC would make sure you and your school would never get any favors from members. You don't do business that way, as it effects scheduling, revenues, etc later on
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:54 am to sms151t
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Quit reaching, you're making your argument seem even worse. NACDA AFCA BCA NABC would make sure you and your school would never get any favors from members. You don't do business that way, as it effects scheduling, revenues, etc later on
do you think they care if they make sense? They will argue ANY point to try to "win" for Arkansas no matter how foolish they look in the process.
Notice none of them addressed my questioning their hypocrisy in the way they screamed bloody murder when Nutt was talking to teams about open vacancies when he was at Arkansas yet feeling like it would be okay if Arkansas was talking to coaches of other schools about a job that we didn't even have open at the time. HAHAHAHAHA
Seriously retarded is the only thing you can say at this point.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:58 am to SugarHog
The thing with HDN is the jobs were open. Yeah it stinks when your guy talks to others, even if they initiate contact. But it was an open job they were talking about, not a job held
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:59 am to sms151t
of course, some coaches are smart enough to not initiate contact using public phones and email accounts
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:59 am to sms151t
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Pelphrey Fired
Posted on 3/14/11 at 1:00 am to SugarHog
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Notice none of them addressed my questioning their hypocrisy in the way they screamed bloody murder when Nutt was talking to teams about open vacancies when he was at Arkansas yet feeling like it would be okay if Arkansas was talking to coaches of other schools about a job that we didn't even have open at the time.
only thing wrong with that is that he wasn't actually looking, and a couple jobs came out and said he was never even considered, he just leaked it out so that he could get a raise....if he had actually left because of something like that then good for him whatever makes him happy.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 1:00 am to sms151t
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The thing with HDN is the jobs were open. Yeah it stinks when your guy talks to others, even if they initiate contact. But it was an open job they were talking about, not a job held
That's what I'm saying. they flipped their fricking wig when that went down screaming about what scum nutt was for doing so, but now they would be okay with a different coach talking about a job that wasn't even open? LOL hypocrites.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 1:01 am to sms151t
So nothing ever happens behind the scenes? We are all wearing tinfoil hats to think that a coaches camp would be contacted without the media knowing about it? You believe every institution waits, until the general public has been informed that a coaching change will be made, before it contacts possible replacements?
I would love to stay up and argue, but there is one undeniable truth to this cruel world.
I would love to stay up and argue, but there is one undeniable truth to this cruel world.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 1:02 am to oklahogjr
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only thing wrong with that is that he wasn't actually looking, and a couple jobs came out and said he was never even considered, he just leaked it out so that he could get a raise....if he had actually left because of something like that then good for him whatever makes him happy.
So at what point did you EVER really think Nutt is the only coach who got a raise out situations like that? Do you really expect us to believe that you would have acted differently? That my friend is where the hypocrisy comes into play.
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