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re: Press Release from The Teabagger's Attorneys
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:05 pm to WDE24
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:05 pm to WDE24
I didnt say the punishment fit the crime, i said the punishment is from his own doings. Which it is. All the guy had to do was keep it in his pants and this wouldnt of happened. A man of his age and with a family should have known better.
And I believe it would have gotten the same attention. A kid is getting tea bagged, that video would have been all over peoples fbs and twitters almost as fast. But that cannot be proven for me or you.
The kid should have a heart though and drop charges and sue krystals. Thats where he is going to get the money from.
And I believe it would have gotten the same attention. A kid is getting tea bagged, that video would have been all over peoples fbs and twitters almost as fast. But that cannot be proven for me or you.
The kid should have a heart though and drop charges and sue krystals. Thats where he is going to get the money from.
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Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:06 pm to Bellabama
quote:No, he pled guilty to carnal knowledge of a juvenile and I know that you know she wasn't 18. Yes it is illegal.
who plead guilty to oral sex with an 18 year old.
I've not said anything about infringing on the teabaggers rights, but he also broke the law and that is not up for debate, as it is clearly recorded.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:07 pm to Bellabama
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Bella
We'll never know bc there is not a video of the "alleged crime".
If all sexual battery cases and rape cases depended on video evidence...victims would be royally screwed.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:09 pm to Indfanfromcol
quote:Definitely. Please don't confuse my call to reason related to the punishment he deserves being a defense of his actions. What he did was stupid and criminal. Just not criminal to the point of what he is facing if the DA doesn't offer a reasonable plea deal.
A man of his age and with a family should have known better.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:09 pm to NBamaAlum
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People are forgetting that a prosecutor doesn't take an oath to garner convictions...they swear to ensure that justice is done. Sometimes that means throwing the book at people, and sometimes it means using some reason and working stuff out. Yes, it is a political office..and they all want to get reelected...but these guys aren't fools.
People are also forgetting that it's the task of the defense attorney to defend his client from charges.
The next time someone grabs my arse in a bar, I'm going to get my friends to video it so I can be sure that if I charge him with sexual battery, I can have him thrown in jail. If it's the law, he needs to be punished.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:14 pm to WDE24
It's just people on secrant arguing. I dont think anyone here is trying to say what he did is okay.
I wonder if hed get a good plea deal though if lsu won.
I wonder if hed get a good plea deal though if lsu won.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:15 pm to AUnite
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Holy. fricking. shite.
If you could hold on to the righteous indignation for a moment, you'd understand that defining age of consent does nothing to answer the question.
Actually, yes we do.
Actually, no you don't. You've made a reasonable assumption, based on what transpired.
I never said it did. You didn't bother to read the entire thread and see what context this case was brought up in.
I read the thread and while I may have misunderstood the intent, I responded responded because I got the feeling, which has not changed, that somehow because LSU has dirty laundry, LSU fans shouldn't call for prosecution of the teabagger.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:15 pm to Indfanfromcol
quote:Yes. That is what my problem with this whole thing is. My opinion is that cfb shouldn't be a factor one way or the other in prosecuting criminals.
I wonder if hed get a good plea deal though if lsu won.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:17 pm to AUnite
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If all sexual battery cases and rape cases depended on video evidence...victims would be royally screwed.
What's even worse is that in making the point, or arguing it, we are told that we are "dense" or "cute" or whatever discrediting adjective to imply we are manipulating the facts in an effort to call out their hypocrisy. That's totally inexcusable.
The only thing we've said is that people should be consistent in their rush to punish, or in their protection of suspects. The fact that they can't accept that makes me think that it's far more about the fact the guy is an Alabama fan, and far less to do with the victim's rights or harm he may have experienced.
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Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:21 pm to Bellabama
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Neither do you.
Correct and I didn't post whether or not I thought he was harmed.
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Clarity of evidence does not justify an excessive punishment.
Didn't say anything about that either.
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Stop being so fricking stupid.
I'm trying, but I think you have some idea of what I've said that is pissing you off, rather than my actual post.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:23 pm to lsufanz
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If you could hold on to the righteous indignation for a moment, you'd understand that defining age of consent does nothing to answer the question.
Yes. Yes, it does. If he did anything sexual with a 14 year old, it's illegal.
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Actually, no you don't. You've made a reasonable assumption, based on what transpired.
Tell me something: if a 14 year old accused you of sexual battery, and you really didn't do it, would you accept a plea deal? IMO, innocent people don't accept a plea deal.
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I read the thread and while I may have misunderstood the intent, I responded responded because I got the feeling, which has not changed, that somehow because LSU has dirty laundry, LSU fans shouldn't call for prosecution of the teabagger.
Yes, I believe you did misunderstand the intent of the two victims being compared. It was brought up that there was a thread on the tiger rant, calling this 14 year old a whore. It was then asked (to another poster, not even you), why no one in that thread defended the victim to the extent that the teabaggee is being defended.
As for the dirty laundry: I'm an Auburn fan and the Trailer Park 4 say "hello". Every campus has some dirty laundry floating just beneath the surface. To think otherwise is foolish imo.
Call for the teabagger's prosecution all you want darlin', I agree with that statement. He should be prosecuted, but he doesn't deserve 25 years in prison imo.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:23 pm to AUnite
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We'll never know bc there is not a video of the "alleged crime".
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If all sexual battery cases and rape cases depended on video evidence...victims would be royally screwed.
You don't have to bang your head, just stop reading things into the post that don't exist.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:26 pm to Bellabama
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That's totally inexcusable.
I completely agree.
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The only thing we've said is that people should be consistent in their rush to punish, or in their protection of suspects. The fact that they can't accept that makes me think that it's far more about the fact the guy is an Alabama fan, and far less to do with the victim's rights or harm he may have experienced.
I'd like to think that if this had happened between two LSU fans, two Bama fans or LSU doing it to a Bama fan, the reaction would be the same, but I kinda doubt it.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:29 pm to lsufanz
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Correct and I didn't post whether or not I thought he was harmed.
I only said there was no video evidence of the emotional harm. You accused me of trying to define harm in Louisiana. This reflects you didn't understand what I was saying.
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Didn't say anything about that either.
Then please, for my benefit, explain why having a video of the crime here has any bearing on his attorney's statement, or how he should be punished.
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I'm trying, but I think you have some idea of what I've said that is pissing you off, rather than my actual post.
I think other people here are able to see exactly what has pissed me off and why. It shouldn't be my burden to explain myself to you, because it's your deficiency.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:38 pm to AUnite
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Yes. Yes, it does. If he did anything sexual with a 14 year old, it's illegal.
Actually, the question was "Consent to what?" not did he do something illegal
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Yes, I believe you did misunderstand the intent of the two victims being compared.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. To answer your question, no, short of some crazy movie plot scenario, I would not plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit and don't believe Hill to be innocent. For the record, attempting to blame the 14 year old is completely contradictory to anything I've said or believe.
If my comments were interpreted as consistent with thinking the teabagger deserves 25 years, I've been misunderstood as well.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:49 pm to Bellabama
quote:Won't argue that.
This reflects you didn't understand what I was saying.
quote:I won't attempt to. As I commented to AUnite, I interpreted a couple of posts as indicating an opinion that LSU fans should abstain from calling for punishment of the teabagger due to the fact that J.Hill forced a 14 year old to give him oral sex. I was attempting to make the point that while neither is excuseable, in one case we know exactly what happened (video) and in the other one we only assume what happened (plea to lesser offense).
Then please, for my benefit, explain why having a video of the crime here has any bearing on his attorney's statement, or how he should be punished.
I admittedly may have missed earlier threads and my comments were apparently interwoven with them.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:51 pm to lsufanz
I see that... and now that you explained your side, I see the miscommunication.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:53 pm to Nortizzle
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I didn't read all the pages, but did he really say that it was ok because the victim was drunk and would not have remembered?!!?
Posted on 1/27/12 at 5:04 pm to AUnite
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He should be prosecuted, but he doesn't deserve 25 years in prison imo.
I am not saying he does either, but why shouldn't he be prosecuted and sentenced to what the law prescribes? That goes for any crime. If someone has a habit of teabagging people, they may want to look up the laws in the state that they are going to teabag in to see what they are up against. It's like going overseas, you may want to see what is illegal before you travel.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 5:08 pm to HeadyMurphey
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I am not saying he does either, but why shouldn't he be prosecuted and sentenced to what the law prescribes? That goes for any crime. If someone has a habit of teabagging people, they may want to look up the laws in the state that they are going to teabag in to see what they are up against. It's like going overseas, you may want to see what is illegal before you travel.
I think a lot of people in this thread jumped on his attorneys and put words into the attorneys' mouths for trying to defend their client.
Clearly, his attorneys are trying to set up an argument to avoid jail time. Whether or not it's successful is another matter altogether.
This post was edited on 1/27/12 at 5:25 pm
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