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re: Paying players WILL NOT fix the problem
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:10 pm to King Crimson
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:10 pm to King Crimson
I agree that paying the players would not solve the problem, in fact it will make it worse.
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Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:10 pm to King Crimson
There's a whole lot of stupid in this thread
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:11 pm to goldennugget
I'm against paying players salaries. If they're paid, they're professionals. If young players want money that badly, they should go pro right out of high school - the AFL or CFL. If they make the CHOICE to play NCAA football, because they think that's their best option to get to the NFL, they agree to be student-athletes for at least 3 years. And during that time, they are amateurs who do not get paid.
I have no problem with increasing their "scholarship" to include the true cost of education. Or providing them with a stipend to cover incidentals. And if the NCAA wants to create a trust that holds money earned from the use of player images, and pays out to players upon their eligibility ending, that would be great. But nothing more than that. If they want to be a paid, professional athlete, stay out of college; and if they violate those rules, their eligibility is gone.
If you begin paying football players, Title IX will require you to pay others. And that's a huge can of worms to open. Plus, if you pay them, then do you require them to pay tuition, room & board, insurance, etc.? I just don't think it's too much to ask that they be "amateurs" for at least 3 years if they CHOOSE to play NCAA football.
I have no problem with increasing their "scholarship" to include the true cost of education. Or providing them with a stipend to cover incidentals. And if the NCAA wants to create a trust that holds money earned from the use of player images, and pays out to players upon their eligibility ending, that would be great. But nothing more than that. If they want to be a paid, professional athlete, stay out of college; and if they violate those rules, their eligibility is gone.
If you begin paying football players, Title IX will require you to pay others. And that's a huge can of worms to open. Plus, if you pay them, then do you require them to pay tuition, room & board, insurance, etc.? I just don't think it's too much to ask that they be "amateurs" for at least 3 years if they CHOOSE to play NCAA football.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:11 pm to King Crimson
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So be it. It stinks to high heaven as it is.
Really? Why is your username King Crimson and not Emperor Titan?
It doesn't stink to high heaven. The only place it seems to stink is at the top. There are plenty of schools who do not and have not had any serious infractions in quite some time.
Either we can say they're better at cheating, or maybe, just maybe, they aren't cheating.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:13 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
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Never been an ATPB'er, but are we to the point now where we call Cam Newton allegations racist?
No...thread that got deleted where King Crimson informed us about it being open season on whitey, and the burden we have of taking care of 8 out of 10 black babies.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:13 pm to Dr RC
i hate the idea of paying them and i do feel it will ruin college football as we know it.
if it ever gets to that point- i hope they pay them, then enforce some strict discipline (one strike and you're out) and academic rules (whatever gpa is a must) and if they don't meet those standards cut them off completely. and if they don't graduate then they have to pay all the money back. they have to be held accountable for something or we're just giving them both scholarships and money (which, in general, they'd be too stupid to handle anyway). if they want to make money then treat them fully as adults and not students (supposedly learning something) in college.
if it ever gets to that point- i hope they pay them, then enforce some strict discipline (one strike and you're out) and academic rules (whatever gpa is a must) and if they don't meet those standards cut them off completely. and if they don't graduate then they have to pay all the money back. they have to be held accountable for something or we're just giving them both scholarships and money (which, in general, they'd be too stupid to handle anyway). if they want to make money then treat them fully as adults and not students (supposedly learning something) in college.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:14 pm to King Crimson
There is not much that will fix the problem. I think the problem is way past the point of being fixable.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:14 pm to King Crimson
Just let the athletes get whatever money they can. If someone wants to give an 18 year old $200k, who are we to tell him no?
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:14 pm to goldennugget
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You hit the nail on the head though...
Whatever players would end up getting paid, will always be exceeded by cheating boosters, insiders, agents, and athletic departments.
We pay $10,000 to players, agent will offer $20,000.
We pay $50,000 to players, agent will offer $75,000.
Amen man.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:17 pm to NELA LSU Fan
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Correct and I'll add that there's nothing that coaches and institutions can do to stop the bad athletes from doing bad things - at best, their influence & control is limited to discouraging, minimizing and forcing it to be covert. To have meaningful impact will require threat of serious, long-term impact on offending players individually with support and cooperation of the NFL. Could (or should) happen but I don't see it anytime soon since it's not in the NFL's interest to ban promising recruits even for, a year or more.
You are right NELA LSU Fan. The NFL has no reason to want to get involved in the current amateur mess. There are only two avenues that I see. One is to disassociate college football and basketball from the university system. The other is to flat out make the acceptance of benefits by amateur athletes a criminal offense punishable by fines and jail time (that would never stand up in court).
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:19 pm to pvilleguru
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If someone wants to give an 18 year old $200k, who are we to tell him no?
Great - just let that 18 year old go play in the AFL or CFL as a professional. If they earn oney, they are not an amateur student-athlete. Their choice.
Paying them will never fix the problem.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:21 pm to townhallsavoy
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So be it. It stinks to high heaven as it is.
Really? Why is your username King Crimson and not Emperor Titan?
It doesn't stink to high heaven. The only place it seems to stink is at the top. There are plenty of schools who do not and have not had any serious infractions in quite some time.
Either we can say they're better at cheating, or maybe, just maybe, they aren't cheating.
LOL....you show me a top 25 program and I'll show you a program that's breaking NCAA rules. Can I prove that? No, but if you're competing at a high level in college athletics today.....you're cheating.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:22 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Never been an ATPB'er, but are we to the point now where we call Cam Newton allegations racist?
No...thread that got deleted where King Crimson informed us about it being open season on whitey, and the burden we have of taking care of 8 out of 10 black babies.
Had to take desperate steps to get that trash thread off this board.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:22 pm to King Crimson
Paying players isn't going to fix anything simply because there will always be someone behind the scenes willing to give a player more. You'll have to get rid of all rules about compensation or keep the current system.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:23 pm to King Crimson
You want to fix it, allow kids to leave college after 1 year, like the NBA does. Kids will have the option to either bolt to the NFL, or stay and improve their draft stock. A stipend would curtail some of the corruption though.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:25 pm to King Crimson
It'd take coordination from the NFL (which won't happen):
1) Void any NFL contract of a player that is found to have taken money while in amateur status.
2) Ban agents/agencies for life if found distributing money to an amateur athlete.
3) Ban boosters from campus if found gifting athletes.
1) Void any NFL contract of a player that is found to have taken money while in amateur status.
2) Ban agents/agencies for life if found distributing money to an amateur athlete.
3) Ban boosters from campus if found gifting athletes.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You'll have to get rid of all rules about compensation or keep the current system.
Exactly. Just go back to the laws that WE ALL have to abide by.
1. It is not illegal to be given money for a service in the everyday world. Nothing illegal about it...but the NCAA thinks so. This is the first hypocrisy.
2. It IS illegal to kick guys in the head at bars, be caught with an apartment full of weed & drug paraphanalia, and rape chicks. All should be punishable by law...regardless of the NCAA's rules. Not punishable by "internal discipline."
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:28 pm to pvilleguru
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Just let the athletes get whatever money they can. If someone wants to give an 18 year old $200k, who are we to tell him no?
I agree, I don't see what the harm is... So what if Manziel makes a few bucks off a bunch of autographed jizz jars or if some agent tries to recruit a big name player? As long as the Universities themselves aren't paying the players, I don't see why they still couldn't be regarded as amateurs
This post was edited on 9/12/13 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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keep the current system.
The current system needs to be simplified and enforced vigorously. Make it clear - they can either get paid immediately, but take less in the AFL or CFL, or agree to live as a student for at least 3 years then potentially earn more in the NFL. They can't have the benefits of both. Their choice.
I really don't think it's asking too much of them to be student-athletes for a minimum of 3 years,have a free place to live, a free education, insurance, healthcare, workout facilities, tutors, etc.
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:29 pm to AUsteriskPride
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It'd take coordination from the NFL (which won't happen):
1) Void any NFL contract of a player that is found to have taken money while in amateur status.
2) Ban agents/agencies for life if found distributing money to an amateur athlete.
3) Ban boosters from campus if found gifting athletes.
I'd also add that Amateurs should be ineligible for the NFL draft after repeated failed drug tests or arrests.
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