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re: New Bham News article comparing Bama NC's to Notre Dame
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:47 am to WDE24
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:47 am to WDE24
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Here is the thing. Alabama claims Rissman is a defacto National Championship trophy because it was handed out based on the Dickinson rankings which recognized National Champions at the time. However, Rissman, if it awarded Bama a trophy, didn't award the 1934 trophy based on Dickinson, so the argument is flawed and misleading.
Here is where you are exactly wrong:
Rissman initially had given out his trophy to the winner of the Dickinson system. However, previous to 1934 Rose Bowl, Rissman assigned his trophy to the Rose Bowl winner as the de facto national champion.
This talk of the players and fans didn't think the Rose Bowl winner was not the national champ is absurd. There are numerous paper clippings showing parades down University drive in Ttown declaring Alabama as the national champion after these Rose Bowls.
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:48 am to Alahunter
quote:Not according to what you and Fluker Flakes have posted on here. You use the Risman, which was simply the Rose Bowl trophy and the Rose Bowl's sel proclamation that its champion was the National Champion.
Bama claims them based on Houlgate.
Remind me who Houlgate was and when he did his system/ I can't keep the jumping around form year to year straight.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:49 am to WDE24
Wow, you are really hurting. 
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:49 am to WDE24
You're attempting to change the argument. I know it sucks to be wrong, but it's not the end of the world. Heck, I've admitted when I've been wrong on here before. Man up and just say it, you were wrong. 
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:51 am to FlukerFlakes
quote:Correct.
Rissman initially had given out his trophy to the winner of the Dickinson system.
quote:Correct.
However, previous to 1934 Rose Bowl, Rissman assigned his trophy to the Rose Bowl
quote:Then the Rose Bowl wanted its winner to always been declared the National Champion simply based on who won the Rose Bowl, which was as asinine then as it would be today.
as the de facto national champion.
Your original linked touted Dickinson as the standard for declaring National Champions until 1940 when the AP took that role, yet Dickinson never awarded Bama a NC.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:51 am to WDE24
Outside of 1941, all of Bama's claims are recognized by the NCAA and the CFDW.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:51 am to USMC Gators
quote:Nope.
Outside of 1941, all of Bama's claims are recognized by the NCAA and the CFDW.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:52 am to WDE24
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:52 am to WDE24
Yep.
Would you like the links?
Would you like the links?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:54 am to USMC Gators
The article in the OP spells it out.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:55 am to WDE24
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Not according to what you and Fluker Flakes have posted on here. You use the Risman, which was simply the Rose Bowl trophy and the Rose Bowl's sel proclamation that its champion was the National Champion.
Remind me who Houlgate was and when he did his system/ I can't keep the jumping around form year to year straight.
Rissman trophy was not "simply the rose bowl trophy". It was tied to the Dickinson system for years (similar to how the Coaches trophy was tied to the Coaches' poll vote in modern times.....then the BCS came around and the Coaches trophy went to the winner of the BCSNC game)
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:57 am to WDE24
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The article in the OP spells it out.
FBS Football Championship History - NCAA
College Football Data Warehouse (Div 1-A Teams > Alabama > Championships > Recognized National Championships)
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:58 am to WDE24
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Your original linked touted Dickinson as the standard for declaring National Champions until 1940 when the AP took that role, yet Dickinson never awarded Bama a NC.
Dickinson was one of many standards of the time used to crown national titles.
And crowning the winner of the Rose Bowl as the national champion back then really isn't that crazy. IT WAS THE ONLY BOWL GAME.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:58 am to USMC Gators
He prefers to believe someone that writes an article.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:59 am to FlukerFlakes
quote:Yes, but then at some point it quit tracking the Dickinson became the Rose Bowl trophy. It had no independent rankings mechanism for declaring a National Champion, it simply was given to the Rose Bowl champ at some point.
Rissman trophy was not "simply the rose bowl trophy". It was tied to the Dickinson system for years
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:00 pm to USMC Gators
quote:Show me who is the 1934 champion. I counted 11 from that link.
FBS Football Championship History - NCAA
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:02 pm to WDE24
I counted 12.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:03 pm to crimsonian
Ok, so USMC Gator was wrong then. Right?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:05 pm to WDE24
Don't think he said they were all recognized by FBS. He said they were recognized by that and the other, meaning one or the other recognizes them.
And Data Warehouse recognizes 1934.
And Data Warehouse recognizes 1934.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:06 pm to crimsonian
So a random website counts now?
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