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re: Muschamp won’t be fired

Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:12 am to
Posted by Icoachfb
Greenville SC
Member since Jan 2019
1796 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:12 am to
Well here is the deal it’s more than 22 million. You have to buy his assistants out. Then you have to pay whoever you hire their buyout. Then his salary and his assistants.

Tanner is the one to blame for that.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:15 am to
A failed retread coach certainly isn't the answer.
Posted by 2014cock
Member since Apr 2011
643 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:36 am to
Yep, while the buyout being 75% of his remaining contract is in line with most SEC schools, extending him 1 more year therefore increasing the buyout ~4M AFTER the Belk Bowl embarrassment is inexcusable.
Posted by Icoachfb
Greenville SC
Member since Jan 2019
1796 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:11 am to
He didn’t work before that game did he? What took 8 practices out of possible 15? Extension was not warranted.
Posted by chimneylooker
Nashville
Member since Sep 2011
593 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:11 am to
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Tanner is the one to blame for that.


You're absolutely right there.
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
20483 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:23 am to
quote:

LSU has a good program, but your post makes it sound like you think you are Alabama. You very much are not, so why don't you shut the frick up and let us worry about what we want from our football coaches.



We will be sure to wave from bowl season while you are sitting at home on your couch.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9362 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:25 am to
quote:

I remember a few years ago after 5 straight South Carolina wins hearing many Clemson fans doing the "Dabo will never beat Spurrier..he needs to go." I also remember the South Carolina fans (me included) saying.."No keep Dabo for life...ha, ha". Looking back on that and you can see than both sides were very stupid in their evaluation. I like Muschamp but his hires are questionable.


The big difference during the Spurrier 5 year run over Clemson is that Clemson continued to win league championships and win BCS Bowls...That can sure soften the sting of losing to your rival. If that was happening with Muschamp, no one would be complaining
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
42903 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:47 am to
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We hired an AD that has to have "on the job" training....he hires a football coach that has already proven he can't coach elite talent and that coach hires assistants that need..."on the job" training. This "on the job" training crap has to stop. I would also say the S&C coach is not getting it done because the injuries are off the chart each year he has been there. That has been an overlooked "major" problem with this staff. Alabama seems to have the same problem, they just have better back ups. This Alabama "Saban" mindset is not working for South Carolina.

Let's put it into proper perspective about Ray and where he really failed, shall we? And this is where we are right now with some of the BoTs and their way of looking at it.

Muschamp inherited a shite show because Tanner let it turn into a shite show by forcing Spurrier to stick around longer than he wanted-to but, not only that, by allowing Spurrier to run the program into the ground.

Tanner did that because it was the easy way out at the moment and it allowed him to procrastinate the search for a new coach by at least two years, which put is seriously behind the 8 ball.

Then Ray went after the wrong man in wishy washy Herman and got played like a fool. Then he assumed Fuentes was there ripe for the picking until BHam said no and all these personal issues came out about Fuentes. Kirby was UGA's already. Willie T was a courtesy HR interview to satisfy the EO yuck yucks. Rich Rodriguez was a 60 second interview to tell him to frick off and quit lying. Oklahoma already had a deal with Lincoln Riley but Tanner really really really screwed the pooch not hiring Riley away from ECU in 2014 when he wanted to come here and get a year or two under Spurrier. Total ego malfunction by both Spurrier and Tanner.

And here is where we are.

It started long before Muschamp got here and no way in hell should Muschamp be receiving all the blame. It's been an uphill battle.

I will be really happy to see Tanner gone and have been wanting this to happen since the day he was hired.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:52 am to
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been wanting this to happen since the day he was hired.

I thought our athletics had turned the corner

Then we went and made this hire

I knew from there shite would get worse
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:00 am to
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No. He cost us considerably. We are still trying to repair everything that he messed up.

Worse hire ever.


But he was great for us.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34081 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:27 am to
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Muschamp. The killer of offense.



Actually, Muschamp's teams have improved over his tenure in Columbia and his offenses are statistically even with Spurrier's over both of their time here. Muschamp's 2019 team has slipped a little bit from 2018 with a true freshman QB being pressed into service after game one. But the 2019 team is still ahead of his first two teams at SC.

Spurrier
2005: 315.9 YPG 21.8 PPG
2006: 395.0 YPG 24.8 PPG
2007: 371.8 YPG 26.1 PPG
2008: 316.5 YPG 20.8 PPG
2009: 347.4 YPG 21.7 PPG
2010: 392.8 YPG 27.4 PPG
2011: 373.5 YPG 30.7 PPG
2012: 376.5 YPG 32.5 PPG
2013: 452.3 YPG 34.1 PPG
2014: 443.4 YPG 32.2 PPG
2015: 362.2 YPG 23.1 PPG
Avg: 377.0 YPG 26.8

Muschamp
2016: 347.5 YPG 20.4 PPG
2017: 337.9 YPG 24.2 PPG
2018: 426.2 YPG 30.1 PPG
2019: 402.9 YPG 26.0 PPG
Avg: 378.6 YPG 25.2 PPG

I think this goes to show that while performing better on the field this year in terms of production, they've had an extremely difficult schedule this year and it's showing in the W/L column.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 11:28 am
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
42903 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:37 am to
That's interesting Lonnie.

Very interesting.

Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
9428 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:47 am to
At best Carolina would be a 7 win team this year, at best. If the injury list is accurate then that easily explains the loss to an pretty good App State team. He hammered Kentucky and beat Georgia. Their schedule is horrific, four top ten teams with twice the talent, and having to go on the road to play A & M with a freshman qb?
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:52 am to
But where do those rank in the conference?
I think as the LSU Bama game showed us this weekend
The game is all offense now days

The game is not the same it was 10 years ago
shite even 5-6 years ago
Posted by IStillMissDanny
S TX
Member since Aug 2016
2151 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:20 pm to
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I was coming here to say this very thing. Doesn't matter what Mushamp does, they're not going to pay him 22 million to walk away. He'll get 18.6 next year so be ready to see Muschamp two more years.


Posted by TallulahtheTiger
Member since Dec 2016
157 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:27 pm to
I know that UofSC fans aren't in any mood to take advice from fans of their archrival, but i'll proffer some anyway.

Since it's looking like you're stuck with Muschamp for now, you ought to consider offering him a 1- or 2-year extension in exchange for a reduced buyout. That way he doesn't look like a dead man walking, he can say with a straight face that the university still has confidence in him, & you don't lose your 2020 recruiting class. Then if you do end up having to can him next year, it won't be prohibitively expensive. In the meantime, an extension might enable him to persuade a proven OC to come in. (Who in his right mind would take that job now if it looks like he'll be out of work in a year?) If Boom really believes he's on the right track & just needs more time & some tweaks to his staff, he ought to be willing to agree to an arrangement like this. If not, well then both he & the football program are condemned to another wasted year.

Meanwhile, such an arrangement would buy the school some time to retire Ray Tanner with dignity (like offering him a sinecure of "university ambassador" or "coach emeritus") & then bring in a real, professional, experienced AD who would be tasked with a top-down review of every sports program & making sorely needed changes.

Whatever his "baggage", I still think y'all ought to consider Brad Edwards for the job - he's a USC alum (was one hell of a football player!), at age 53 is in the prime of his AD career, knows football & what it takes to lead a big-time football program, has previous experience inside UofSC's athletic department, brings administrative competence, & would immediately have the political clout to make tough decisions about hiring & firing coaches.

Just my thoughts, fwiw.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19815 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:41 pm to
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Well here is the deal it’s more than 22 million. You have to buy his assistants out. Then you have to pay whoever you hire their buyout. Then his salary and his assistants.

Tanner is the one to blame for that.
He had help.

Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34081 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

That's interesting Lonnie.

Very interesting.


It makes me feel MILDLY better about Muschamp...
Posted by SpringBokCock
Columbia, SC
Member since Oct 2003
3192 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:00 pm to
Spurrier had issues early on with his offensive line. Once he got those fixed, the offense blossomed, particularly with Connor Shaw. Boom has done pretty well with the o-line. His downfall is scheme, playcalling, qb development, and lack of playmakers. And of course, injuries.

I think Spurrier lost his touch when Brad Lawing left. Perhaps beginning when Ellis Johnson left. He replaced them with young inexperienced assistants who could not coach technique and did not understand scheme. Which may be what Boom has now.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7383 posts
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:18 pm to
Tallulah, you're not wrong. Muschamp's agent would never let him accept that kind of deal, but that's what needs to happen.

On a similar note, he needs to drop McClendon and swallow his pride and call Mangus. He's local to Columbia, would take the job if even for a year, and could actually make this situation work. His offenses were capable, and if paired with a competent D, you could be looking at 8-4 next year.
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