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Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:26 am to KSGamecock
quote:epic.
2008 LSU @ South Carolina. A ref tackled Stephen Garcia and we lost by a possession. It was atrocious.
Also. Pp7 int.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:29 am to FourThreeForty
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Posted by FourThreeForty I'm sorry NYCAuburn but.....
Really cause I'm pretty sure the scoreboard said auburn won
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:29 am to NYCAuburn
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No actual reply though?
Ive replied at length a couple dozen times in this thread. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:29 am to NYCAuburn
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So if you would like to help explain how he could have made a play on the ball. He was already moving and the contact did not change his direction. So please explai. How he could have caught it.
frick. One last try. Video. Please, stop the video at about the 7 second mark (specifically, as the ball is flying through the air and where on the screen the ball is just above and to the left of the 0 from the 10 yard line. At this point, Doucet has just left his feet moving towards about the point where the ball is ultimately tipped. At this point, an Auburn defender (Gilbert, I believe) is about to make contact which carries him past the point where the ball is ultimately tipped. I honestly don't think Doucet would have been able to reach back far enough to snag the pass before the Auburn defender tips it. However, as the rule states, offensive players are given the benefit of the doubt in terms of a pass being "catchable". Since the Auburn defender prevented Doucet from being able to contend for the pass, which seems unlikely to be caught but is somewhat possible (thus deeming it "catchable").
It is difficult to judge how far Doucet was jumping on his own, but watching how his body moves at and after contact makes it pretty clear he was moved significantly and possibly even the 2 yards or so necessary to have pushed him away from the point where the Auburn defender tipped the pass.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:32 am to Roger Klarvin
Well I don't recall you stating how he could have caught the ball, just if the tip didn't happen he could, despite it actually happening. All I've seen is your beliefs in how the rule should work and not how it's stated.
I was willing to start with the basics and break it down for you with direct quotes from the rule book.
I was willing to start with the basics and break it down for you with direct quotes from the rule book.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:43 am to DoreonthePlains
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At this point, Doucet has just left his feet moving towards about the point where the ball is ultimately tipped
He is moving across and somewhat down the field as he left the ground and his momentum carried him in the same direction.
quote:. His momentum carried him as well.
At this point, an Auburn defender (Gilbert, I believe) is about to make contact which carries him past the point where the ball is ultimately tipped
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honestly don't think Doucet would have been able to reach back far enough to snag the pass before the Auburn defender tips it.
As I've stated. And it's not just reaching back he would have to have gone backwards towards the ball at least two yards or more as well
quote:. And as you stated previously.....unable to catch.
However, as the rule states, offensive players are given the benefit of the doubt in terms of a pass being "catchable".
quote:. The auburn player made contact, he did not change his direction or impede it.
Since the Auburn defender prevented Doucet from being able to contend for the pass, which seems unlikely to be caught but is somewhat possible (thus deeming it "catchable").
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It is difficult to judge how far Doucet was jumping on his own, but watching how his body moves at and after contact makes it pretty clear he was moved significantly and possibly even the 2 yards or so necessary to have pushed him away from the point where the Auburn defender tipped the pass.
He was in the air and unable to move to where he could have had a chance to come within reach of the ball. You can contort your body, you can't change momentum or location.
I've stated several times the reason for no pi. It is the rule. Like I said I would say pi if he could have caught the ball. But there is no way he could have.
Eta. Btw way insomnia is a bitch. I have found this thread entertaining I've stayed consistent to the rule the entire time and was told I was wrong, the rule gets posted, which states what I've been saying. The rule is the rule. The only room for interpretation is if the ball was catchable, not the rule. I am of the opinion it was not.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 2:57 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:57 am to NYCAuburn
I think you're underestimating the amount of contact made. The still shots posted earlier in this thread showed how Doucet's legs were pushed up under him. Gilbert basically pushes Doucet along the same direction as the jump Doucet made (a little more downfield), but he pushes him noticeably farther. It still is unlikely gets to the ball first, but by rule, Gilbert must allow the battle for the ball to play out without making contact.
And even if the pass is ruled uncatchable, 9K still points out that a blatant tackle of a receiver should result in a 15 yard penalty and first down (not sure what rule that would be in common language) for the offense. Do you really think that rule should not have applied here either? If not, why does it not?
And even if the pass is ruled uncatchable, 9K still points out that a blatant tackle of a receiver should result in a 15 yard penalty and first down (not sure what rule that would be in common language) for the offense. Do you really think that rule should not have applied here either? If not, why does it not?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:04 am to DoreonthePlains
quote:. He doesn't push him that far. If at all. He goes in the air prior to contact. Watch the replay from the endzone. The stills capture a single frame and not movement. Can be easily distort what actually happened.
I think you're underestimating the amount of contact made. The still shots posted earlier in this thread showed how Doucet's legs were pushed up under him. Gilbert basically pushes Doucet along the same direction as the jump Doucet made (a little more downfield), but he pushes him noticeably farther. It still is unlikely gets to the ball first, but by rule, Gilbert must allow the battle for the ball to play out without making contact.
You are using 9k incorrectly fwiw. It's regarding obvious over or under thrown balls and making person foul type contact, not pi, but unsportsmanlike. Did you read b, h or d, but c sums it up.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 3:09 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:12 am to DoreonthePlains
From the footage the ball looked uncatchable to me but admittedly I didn't dissect it and could be wrong. To me it looked like PI but when it was slowed down you could see the tip so the reversal made sense.
But here's the biggest thing to consider: SEC refs just don't call a lot of PI. They let DBs beat the crap outta WRs (probably because WRs have a pretty big advantage over DBs in general or maybe they're just ornery but it's a common thing and eve far more blatant PI on undisputed catchable balls isn't often called). I don't know why that is but it is. I suppose we could lobby for a change in officiating if everyone wanted more PI calls.
But here's the biggest thing to consider: SEC refs just don't call a lot of PI. They let DBs beat the crap outta WRs (probably because WRs have a pretty big advantage over DBs in general or maybe they're just ornery but it's a common thing and eve far more blatant PI on undisputed catchable balls isn't often called). I don't know why that is but it is. I suppose we could lobby for a change in officiating if everyone wanted more PI calls.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 3:15 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:13 am to NYCAuburn
b. Players of either team legally may interfere beyond the neutral zone after the
pass has been touched (A.R. 7-3-9-II).
h. Pass interference rules do not apply after the pass has been touched
anywhere inbounds by an inbounds player or has touched an official. If an
opponent is fouled, the penalty is for the foul and not pass interference (A.R.
Yes I know the word in here, just an example, humor me till we get to the next two.
d. Pass interference rules apply only during a down in which a legal forward
pass crosses the neutral zone (Rules 2-19-3 and 7-3-8-a and c) (A.R. 10-2-
And the rule
c. Defensive players legally may contact opponents who have crossed the
neutral zone if the opponents are not in a position to receive a catchable
forward pass.
1. Those infractions that occur during a down in which a forward pass
crosses the neutral zone are pass interference infractions only if the
receiver had the opportunity to receive a catchable forward pass.
And a legal forward pass is defined as a catchable ball
pass has been touched (A.R. 7-3-9-II).
h. Pass interference rules do not apply after the pass has been touched
anywhere inbounds by an inbounds player or has touched an official. If an
opponent is fouled, the penalty is for the foul and not pass interference (A.R.
Yes I know the word in here, just an example, humor me till we get to the next two.
d. Pass interference rules apply only during a down in which a legal forward
pass crosses the neutral zone (Rules 2-19-3 and 7-3-8-a and c) (A.R. 10-2-
And the rule
c. Defensive players legally may contact opponents who have crossed the
neutral zone if the opponents are not in a position to receive a catchable
forward pass.
1. Those infractions that occur during a down in which a forward pass
crosses the neutral zone are pass interference infractions only if the
receiver had the opportunity to receive a catchable forward pass.
And a legal forward pass is defined as a catchable ball
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:16 am to Prof
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From the footage the ball looked uncatchable to me but admittedly I didn't dissect it and could be wrong. To me it looked like PI but when it was slowed down you could see the tip so the reversal made sense.
Here is the problem going on somewhat in this thread. Your statement contradicts itself with the definition of pi per NCAA. But be careful if you say it's uncatchable you will be attacked
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 3:17 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:18 am to NYCAuburn
How? I was basically saying it looked like PI until I saw the slowed down footage. Maybe I didn't say that right - it's late for me.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:19 am to NYCAuburn
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He doesn't push him that far. If at all. He goes in the air prior to contact. Watch the replay from the endzone.
Again, how far he pushes is up for debate. Doucet is jumping right as Gilbert hits him, so it can be difficult to tell. My point was that the stills show a good amount of force is being applied to Doucet by Gilbert.
I did read 9B and 9H. 9B states, "Players of either team legally may interfere beyond the neutral zone after the pass has been touched." The interference occurred prior to player contact with the pass. 9H states, "Pass interference rules do not apply after the pass has been touched anywhere inbounds by an inbounds player or has touched an official. If an
opponent is fouled, the penalty is for the foul and not pass interference." Again, this states that the pass is touched prior to player-to-player contact is made.
If you read 9J, it also regards to "disregard" of the ball as illegal. Gilbert was clearly disregarding the ball to tackle Doucet. Now, I am interpreting here, but I think the "obviously is underthrown or overthrown" is basically saying if it is uncatchable and the defender just takes out the receiver.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:19 am to Prof
Sorry misread Didn't see the "but after"
Eta. Been a bunch of one liners in this thread.
Eta. Been a bunch of one liners in this thread.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 3:21 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:20 am to NYCAuburn
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Sorry misread Didn't see the "but after"
It's cool. I don't think I worded it very well anyway.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:21 am to FourThreeForty
2011 Mulligan bowl has to be #1 or #2
'06 LSU vs Auburn "Robbery on the plains"
PP7 pick vs Alabama and the global recognition of the REC illuminati
'06 LSU vs Auburn "Robbery on the plains"
PP7 pick vs Alabama and the global recognition of the REC illuminati
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 3:23 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:24 am to DoreonthePlains
Read the other two really. I posted them above. They clearly define the situation.
quote:. It's about basically hitting a player where it's clear the play can't be made. Like I said more of an unsportsmanlike penalty.
If you read 9J, it also regards to "disregard" of the ball as illegal. Gilbert was clearly disregarding the ball to tackle Doucet. Now, I am interpreting here, but I think the "obviously is underthrown or overthrown" is basically saying if it is uncatchable and the defender just takes out the receiver.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:25 am to NYCAuburn
tl;dr a penalty should have been called on the play and the refs botched it. interesting that the two pretty much unanimously botched plays came from the state of alabama.
i think we should add the Arkansas vs Florida + refs game to the list if it's not on here also.
i think we should add the Arkansas vs Florida + refs game to the list if it's not on here also.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:32 am to bmy
lol @ arguing with an auburn fan. They're part of the majority of these infamous games, but will never admit they're the luckiest team in the nation.
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