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re: Most delusional fanbase isn't Bama.....it's Arkansas
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:51 pm to loussenile
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:51 pm to loussenile
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Bowl Appearances:
LSU- 40 (21 wins)
Arkansas- 36 (11 wins)
Not exactly even, close but not even
21-11 isn't close.
Neither is the 23-13 lead we have in top 10 finishes.
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Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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cfbdatawarehouse.com all-time program rankings:
LSU- 10th
Arkansas- 26th
also not close. because college football didn't begin in 1964
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:52 pm to SwineFlu
quote:You're making a big mistake here. You're not going to out-argue me on this subject unless you're lsumatt. Trust me. I will pwn the living frick out of you here.
God, you are dumb.
You do realize that expanding the schedule to 12 games completely skews those stats, right?
Add in two auto-wins every to the SWC schools and see how it looks.
It is funny to see pseudo-intellects try to argue.
In the years that I gave you, do you know how many times the SWC was one of the top three conferences in the nation (literally every computer system, plus win-loss percentages back me up here)? ONE.
Not only that...oh boy, this is about to get ugly. I'm serious. It's worse than I thought.
Number of SWC teams that had a winning season the majority of the time since 1960-1992: 3 (out of 9).
Number of SEC teams that had a winning season the majority of the time from 1960-1992: 7 (out of 10).
Seriously, dude. Bow out now. Just go away and don't argue with me on this anymore. Unless you can find an alternate dimension that includes some sort of freaky circus math that proves that the SWC wasn't two teams and six cupcakes, just back away now. It's your only choice.
The SWC sucked so bad that their second best team ever has a losing record in the SEC!
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:54 pm to loussenile
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why are the 60's better than the 30's, 40's or 50's?
Did I say they were?
You might be the King of Strawman Arguments.
If you have a question, ask. An opinion, share it.
But don't put words in people's mouths or steer from valid points by moving to the next topic you can.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:55 pm to woopiginaustin
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You're making a big mistake here. You're not going to out-argue me on this subject unless you're lsumatt. Trust me. I will pwn the living frick out of you here.
In the years that I gave you, do you know how many times the SWC was one of the top three conferences in the nation (literally every computer system, plus win-loss percentages back me up here)? ONE.
Not only that...oh boy, this is about to get ugly. I'm serious. It's worse than I thought.
Number of SWC teams that had a winning season the majority of the time since 1960-1992: 3 (out of 9).
Number of SEC teams that had a winning season the majority of the time from 1960-1992: 7 (out of 10).
Seriously, dude. Bow out now. Just go away and don't argue with me on this anymore. Unless you can find an alternate dimension that includes some sort of freaky circus math that proves that the SWC wasn't two teams and six cupcakes, just back away now. It's your only choice.
In the 60's, the SWC had a team in the top 10 in every season but 1967, with 3 different schools accounting for 14 top ten finishes in 10 years (Arkansas - 7, texass - 6, SMU - 1). Three national championships were won by the conference (Arkansas - 1964, texass - 1963, texass - 1969).
In the 70's, the SWC had a team in the top 10 every season but 1971 and 1974, with 5 different schools accounting for 14 top ten finishes in 10 years (texass - 5, Houston - 4, Arkansas - 3, texass tech - 1, texass A&M - 1).
In the first half of the 80's, before violations and investigations castrated the league, the SWC had a team in the top ten every year but 1980, with 4 different schools accounting for 7 top ten finishes in 6 years (SMU - 3, texass - 2, Arkansas - 1, texass A&M - 1).
The champion of the SWC would play in the Cotton Bowl each year. The winner of the Cotton Bowl would be named national champion by at least one organization 10 times from 1960-1979. The Cotton Bowl, the home of the SWC Champion, was unquestionably one of the premier bowl games in America during it's heydey.
I'm not afraid of you.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:56 pm to woopiginaustin
Lets settle the debate between LSU and Arkansas
From the start of each program up until 1999 LSU had 23 more all time wins than Arkansas.
Since 2000 the gap has increased to 50.
So over the first 100 years of each program LSU was .23 games a year better than Arkansas
Since 2000 it has been 2.7 games a year better than Arkansas
From the start of each program up until 1999 LSU had 23 more all time wins than Arkansas.
Since 2000 the gap has increased to 50.
So over the first 100 years of each program LSU was .23 games a year better than Arkansas
Since 2000 it has been 2.7 games a year better than Arkansas
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:58 pm to woopiginaustin
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In the 60's, the SWC had a team in the top 10 in every season but 1967, with 3 different schools accounting for 14 top ten finishes in 10 years (Arkansas - 7, texass - 6, SMU - 1).
so you're basically admitting that almost every year Arkansas and Texas would beat up on the rest of the conference, and then the winner of that game would finish in the top 10, because they were 10-1 or 9-2 almost by default. gotcha.
great conference
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:59 pm to Loserman
Just so we are clear.....
1)I think LSU is a 10, but has a 7 for a coach
2)The SWC was better than most apparently remember. I've provided enough statistics in this thread to validate my assertion.
1)I think LSU is a 10, but has a 7 for a coach
2)The SWC was better than most apparently remember. I've provided enough statistics in this thread to validate my assertion.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:00 pm to Loserman
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Lets settle the debate between LSU and Arkansas
From the start of each program up until 1999 LSU had 23 more all time wins than Arkansas.
Since 2000 the gap has increased to 50.
So over the first 100 years of each program LSU was .23 games a year better than Arkansas
Since 2000 it has been 2.7 games a year better than Arkansas
don't forget the SEC>>>>>>SWC modifier
just the fact that they HADN'T won more games than us proves that they are naturally an inferior program.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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so you're basically admitting that almost every year Arkansas and Texas would beat up on the rest of the conference, and then the winner of that game would finish in the top 10, because they were 10-1 or 9-2 almost by default. gotcha.
Solid, but not elite.
You are the King of Strawman arguments. You might be a woman with as many times as you make assumptions and put words in folks mouths.
35 Top 10 finishes by 5 schools over the last 30 years of Arkansas participation.
Again, solid but not elite. Much closer to the ACC or Big 10 than the SEC or Pac 10 of today.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:04 pm to woopiginaustin
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I've provided enough statistics in this thread to validate my assertion.
Not for this arguement
"LSU has a 7 for a coach"
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:05 pm to woopiginaustin
quote:So did the SEC, Big Ten, AAWU, ACC, and even the motherfricking WAC. BIG DEAL. All we've determined here is that the SWC was a conference.
In the 60's, the SWC had a team in the top 10 in every season but 1967, with 3 different schools accounting for 14 top ten finishes in 10 years (Arkansas - 7, texass - 6, SMU - 1).
quote:Again, this isn't unusually good; virtually every conference other than the Border conference can say this.
In the 70's, the SWC had a team in the top 10 every season but 1971 and 1974, with 5 different schools accounting for 14 top ten finishes in 10 years (texass - 5, Houston - 4, Arkansas - 3, texass tech - 1, texass A&M - 1).
quote:Again, I'm having trouble seeing what's especially good about this.
In the first half of the 80's, before violations and investigations castrated the league, the SWC had a team in the top ten every year but 1980, with 4 different schools accounting for 7 top ten finishes in 6 years (SMU - 3, texass - 2, Arkansas - 1, texass A&M - 1).
I'll admit, I took my time replying to this because my first instinct was that you were describing a conference that's about as good as the Mountain West. Seriously. I was just afraid that there was something I must be missing. Surely Arkansas fans aren't THAT stupid.
I was wrong. Arkansas fans ARE that stupid.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:05 pm to woopiginaustin
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I'm not sure how this became Arkansas vs LSU?
LSU is a 10 in my book. But they have a 7 as an HC and every year they become a less daunting opponent and less competitive for a BCSNC.
Why is this? USC is still competing. OSU is still in the mix. Texas is. Florida is.
The answer is that LSU is a Ferrari being driven by a go-kart pro.
I vote that LSU keeps him for years to come
These posts always go untouched.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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don't forget the SEC>>>>>>SWC modifier
Now it is, but from basically 1960 through 1980 the SEC was like the PAC 10.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:06 pm to loussenile
i cant believe i just wasted my time reading this
dribble
quote:
I've provided enough statistics in this thread to validate my assertion.
yall are children
Not for this arguement
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:08 pm to xiv
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You're making a big mistake here. You're not going to out-argue me on this subject unless you're lsumatt. Trust me. I will pwn the living frick out of you here.
In the years that I gave you, do you know how many times the SWC was one of the top three conferences in the nation (literally every computer system, plus win-loss percentages back me up here)? ONE.
Not only that...oh boy, this is about to get ugly. I'm serious. It's worse than I thought.
Number of SWC teams that had a winning season the majority of the time since 1960-1992: 3 (out of 9).
Number of SEC teams that had a winning season the majority of the time from 1960-1992: 7 (out of 10).
Seriously, dude. Bow out now. Just go away and don't argue with me on this anymore. Unless you can find an alternate dimension that includes some sort of freaky circus math that proves that the SWC wasn't two teams and six cupcakes, just back away now. It's your only choice.
The SWC sucked so bad that their second best team ever has a losing record in the SEC!
Oh my god, a community college drop out is going to "own the frick" out of me.
You're retarded arse "winning record" bit is so irrelevant and out of context it's ridiculous. Let's use ESPN's all time prestige rankings for the SWC:
7 - Texas
19 - Arkansas
20 - Texas A&M
31 - TCU
47 - Houston
61 - SMU
62 - Rice
63 - Baylor
Now, consider that all those programs except for the top 3 had BY FAR their best years back in the old days, and the rankings look much better. SMU would easily have been top 30 if not for the death penalty. If not for the last 20 years, Houston is a top 30-25 program as well. Rice and Baylor were obviously the runts.
So, out of an 8 team conference you had 75% of them as top 30-35 programs, and 3 of them being top 20.
I'm not sure how that classifies as "weak," but you can keep on making bullshite up like an idiot if you want.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:09 pm to The Electric Rebel
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Electric Rebel
Watch yourself or I'll start in on the rebs.
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:09 pm to woopiginaustin
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xiv
Can you send me a link to an Arkansas fan calling the SWC the SEC?
You made invalid assertions, or maybe just assertions that left out credible facts pertaining to the debate, and I challenged you to back it up.
Don't take it personal.
Arkansas last 30 years in the SWC saw 5 schools with 35 TOP 10 finishes.
It wasn't elite if that is what you are waiting for. But it damn sure wasn't the Sun Belt either.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Watch yourself or I'll start in on the rebs.
i really dont want to get into this argument
ole miss fans know we are over rated and have done
nothing to deserve the ranking we have
ETA: but we will after we be SC
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
yeah, and since 2000(LSU's most successful period in program history) you are ONLY 1 GAME OVER .500 against AR(5-4 on the Saban/Miles watch) So What??
Look, AR has been to 23 New Year's Day Bowls, that's a statement in and of itself. Being the 26th all-time winningest program in college,out of 119 ain't exactly bad.
Look, AR has been to 23 New Year's Day Bowls, that's a statement in and of itself. Being the 26th all-time winningest program in college,out of 119 ain't exactly bad.
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