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re: Mett, McCarron, Murray, JFF draft order
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:12 am to Libertyabides71
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:12 am to Libertyabides71
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And AJ has thrown to guys that were open less than has he has thrown it to the other team?
AJ is dumping the ball far more than Mett. Look at his y/attempt. Lsu rarely ever throws to a te or rb while that is a staple of Bama's offense. Look AJ is a good qb that will do well in the nfl.
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Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:14 am to 2close2Gainesville
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I think Mett has the strongest arm, but he is terrible moving around.
He has a bad habit of taking his eyes off of downfield when the slightest breakdown of the pocket happens. That's one of his biggest flaws.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:14 am to Rickdaddy4188
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AJ is dumping the ball far more than Mett. Look at his y/attempt. Lsu rarely ever throws to a te or rb while that is a staple of Bama's offense. Look AJ is a good qb that will do well in the nfl.
Which with all the talent you guys recruit it makes you wonder why the ball isn't spread around more. You guys used to throw to TE's and backs all the time. That isn't a crutch that is winning football. It is like Cameron came in and dumped some good fundamental offense from your guys rep. Which of course is why he isn't an NFL OC anymore.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 2:17 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:17 am to Libertyabides71
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You guys say this like LSU is devoid of talent. Both those starting WR's will be Sunday stars.
Well AJ has luxury off not having to force throws downfield or take chances because bama almost always has a comfortable lead. Lsu is the only team to be close to bama score wise in the 3rd quarter. AJ is a great decision maker and he rarely gets fooled by the blitz.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:17 am to Libertyabides71
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You guys say this like LSU is devoid of talent. Both those starting WR's will be Sunday stars.
Of course, but I'm not just talking about who they're throwing to. I'm talking about the entire team.
Alabama's defense being very good helps out the quarterback. McCarron can afford to throw the ball away or check down on 3rd down, while Mettenberger might have to try to make a tough play to keep his defense off the field (which has improved, but was awful by LSU standards earlier in the season).
And actually, Alabama has been pretty terrible on 3rd downs this season, while LSU has flourished. Possibly that's something Mettenberger is better at.
Of course, the fact that McCarron's offensive line is better shouldn't overshadow the fact that he is very good in the pocket. While Mettenberger... is not (though he has improved from last year greatly). I think if the two players switched teams, McCarron still wouldn't take nearly as many sacks as Mettenberger has behind LSU's line this year.
Each player has an advantage in certain areas. I think overall, Mettenberger's skill translates better to the NFL. However, if he doesn't get better in the pocket, he will always be a below average NFL quarterback. But his improvement from last year in that area makes me believe he has the potential to continue to get better.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:17 am to Libertyabides71
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makes Mettenberger seem a lot like Flacco.
I think he'd take that.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:18 am to Libertyabides71
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yep and even with Cameron its a one read/chuck and duck passing game which makes Mettenberger seem a lot like Flacco.
Mett goes through his reads he just rarely has to go passed his 2 nd read. Usually OBJr or Landry will be open.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:19 am to BayouBengals03
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I think he'd take that.
In body type just like when I say McCarron is built like college Peyton Manning.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
That, but he has no legs, or blame it on pocket awareness, but he folds in that situation, he can't move. McCarron doesn't have much mobility, but he is much better than Mett in that aspect.
You never answered my question, though, not flaming, just wanted your opinion.
You never answered my question, though, not flaming, just wanted your opinion.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:21 am to Libertyabides71
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You guys used to throw to TE's and backs all the time. T
When Saban was here.Throughout Miles tenure lsu rarely attacks the middle of the field. It been one of my biggest complaints with Miles. Especially last year when we had a patch work oline and dlinemen were pinning their ears back an coming after Mett, he would never call a screen pass. I don't understand it all.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:22 am to 2close2Gainesville
When you talk about McCarron's mobility it is in no way like say Manziel's or Newton's. McCarron is nor will ever be considered a running QB on any level. What McCarron has though is very great pocket mobility. Which further makes him seem like a great WCO fit.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:22 am to Libertyabides71
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In body type just like when I say McCarron is built like college Peyton Manning.
Read my mind, didn't want to say it. Doesn't mean that will translate to the pros though.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:22 am to 2close2Gainesville
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, but he has no legs, or blame it on pocket awareness, but he folds in that situation, he can't move. McCarron doesn't have much mobility, but he is much better than Mett in that aspect.
Right. I said that earlier in the thread. AJ has great footwork in the pocket and he is rarely off balance in the pocket. Mett needs a good pocket to be successful.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:24 am to Libertyabides71
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When you talk about McCarron's mobility it is in no way like say Manziel's or Newton's
I didn't say that
Just said he was better than Mett in that aspect.Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:24 am to 2close2Gainesville
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Read my mind, didn't want to say it. Doesn't mean that will translate to the pros though.
That is exactly what I meant. They are both the same body out of college 6'4" 215ish.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:26 am to 2close2Gainesville
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I didn't say that Just said he was better than Mett in that aspect.
I know you didn't. I was "preventive" posting. If had I said "McCarron's mobility" or "McCarron/Manning have similiar body types" without the other information all that would have been taken from my posts would have been "McCarron is a hyper mobile running QB" and "McCarron is the next Peyton". Neither of which are true. Just posting defensively.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:29 am to Libertyabides71
IMO AJ's mobility is underrated. He isn't JM out there but he can pick up a first down or td with his legs
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:35 am to Rickdaddy4188
Who would be your first choice in drafting a QB?
Goes for both of you.
edit: out of the four listed, just curious, assuming Murray didn't injure his knee
Goes for both of you.
edit: out of the four listed, just curious, assuming Murray didn't injure his knee
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 2:36 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:41 am to 2close2Gainesville
Of the three it totally depends on the offense.
Murray is going to get downgraded because of the injury, inability to win the big game, and he is listed 6'1" (which probably means he is closer to 5'11 at the Combine). And remember that 6'1" is without the mobility of a Russell Wilson or Manziel. People have made the Drew Brees joke but we forget the lucky breaks he has made to even still be in the NFL right now especially after his 2005 debacle.
If I am a team wanting to emulate the Seahawks I take Manziel. I would also take him if I was just drafting someone, anyone to give my franchise direction.
If I am a team wanting to run an offense like Cam Cameron's I would take Mettenberger. Also if he proves in pre-combine meetings to "get it" then the potential in that arm is too sweet to pass on. The NFL loves to check into guys backgrounds heavily so the incident that made him leave UGA if there are details the public doesn't know they could hurt him.
If I run an offense like Green Bay, New England, Denver, or KC I draft AJ. I've stated my reasons why a 100 times. The guy is a winner. Leadership. Can make every throw. Pocket Mobility. Has already been running a pro style offense including the mental aspect for 3 years.
So many intangibles/testing/combines/heck even remaining games of College football to rank them. I think all have the potential to be good in the NFL. Murray does as well but like I said the negatives are going to hurt him.
I know one thing, its a deep group of QBs, especially in the SEC. So much youth next year the SEC may look like it did in the Wisbone era.
Jon Gruden's QB camp show on ESPN should be top priority DVR for every college/nfl fan early this winter.
Murray is going to get downgraded because of the injury, inability to win the big game, and he is listed 6'1" (which probably means he is closer to 5'11 at the Combine). And remember that 6'1" is without the mobility of a Russell Wilson or Manziel. People have made the Drew Brees joke but we forget the lucky breaks he has made to even still be in the NFL right now especially after his 2005 debacle.
If I am a team wanting to emulate the Seahawks I take Manziel. I would also take him if I was just drafting someone, anyone to give my franchise direction.
If I am a team wanting to run an offense like Cam Cameron's I would take Mettenberger. Also if he proves in pre-combine meetings to "get it" then the potential in that arm is too sweet to pass on. The NFL loves to check into guys backgrounds heavily so the incident that made him leave UGA if there are details the public doesn't know they could hurt him.
If I run an offense like Green Bay, New England, Denver, or KC I draft AJ. I've stated my reasons why a 100 times. The guy is a winner. Leadership. Can make every throw. Pocket Mobility. Has already been running a pro style offense including the mental aspect for 3 years.
So many intangibles/testing/combines/heck even remaining games of College football to rank them. I think all have the potential to be good in the NFL. Murray does as well but like I said the negatives are going to hurt him.
I know one thing, its a deep group of QBs, especially in the SEC. So much youth next year the SEC may look like it did in the Wisbone era.
Jon Gruden's QB camp show on ESPN should be top priority DVR for every college/nfl fan early this winter.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 2:57 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:48 am to Libertyabides71
No one really talks about it, but in terms of football IQ, I can only think of Andrew Luck as being better coming out in recent years. Again, talking football IQ and the ability to take command of an offense. Not talking arm, size, etc.
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