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re: Mett, McCarron, Murray, JFF draft order
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:31 am to Libertyabides71
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:31 am to Libertyabides71
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QB rating is influenced by raw production as well. Mettenberger is only your QB because of the bad decisions he made.
Holy shite. I'm done with you. You know shite about football.
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Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:34 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Team accomplishment that has nothing to do with qbs going to the next level. Mett has a better qb rating than AJ. Qb rating is how a rate qbs over a period of time. Mett has the 5th highest qb rating in all of cfb. This year Mett is playing qb better than AJ.
And he has thrown 5 picks in the back half of the season. Mettenberger plays his worst against good opponents. You've kept him in far longer against the bad competition. Of his production over 1200 passing yards come against Kent State, MSU, UAB, and Furman.
In LSU's four largest blowouts Mettenberger has thrown for around 300 ypg
In Alabama's four largest blowouts McCarron has thrown for about 180 ypg.
300 minus 180 times 4 equals 480. Almost all of Mettenberger's "extra" production has come from Saban pulling AJ against the paycheck teams.
If AJ is the king of the dump pass, Mettenberger is the king of forcing the ball against Furman.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 1:38 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:39 am to Snakebucket
Manziel
Mettenberger
McCarron
Murray
Although I'd take Murray over McCarron.
Mettenberger
McCarron
Murray
Although I'd take Murray over McCarron.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:39 am to Libertyabides71
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And he has thrown 5 picks in the back half of the season. Mettenberger plays his worst against good opponents. You've kept him in far longer against the bad competition. Of his production over 1200 passing yards come against Kent State, MSU, UAB, and Furman.
It's not Mett's fault that AJ has sucked against his cupcakes. Come on. AJ has thrown for more than 190 yards 3 times this year.
Look I've said AJ will be a good pro. This convo started about being drafted on measurables alone. Mett's second year starting in the sec and he is playing better than AJ ( slightly)is in his 3rd year. You also said arm strength is wasted once you can make every nfl throw. That's laughable.
I'm using facts to back up my argument. You're using opinions.
Like I said, AJ will be a capable nfl qb. He is accurate and has really good pocket presence ( something that's very hard to coach into a player).
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:40 am to Rickdaddy4188
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It's not Mett's fault that AJ has sucked against his cupcakes. Come on. AJ has thrown for more than 190 yards 3 times this year.
Look I've said AJ will be a good pro. This convo started about being drafted on measurables alone. Mett's second year starting in the sec and he is playing better than AJ ( slightly)is in his 3rd year. You also said arm strength is wasted once you can make every nfl throw. That's laughable.
I'm using facts to back up my argument. You're using opinions.
Like I said, AJ will be a capable nfl qb. He is accurate and has really good pocket presence ( something that's very hard to coach into a player).
"Sucked" against cupcakes? You mean being pulled earlier because our coach cares more about winning games?
Also define cupcake, we've beat everyone (but ATM) including LSU by at least two touchdowns.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 1:42 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:41 am to Rickdaddy4188
4 times this year. And he gets taken out of those games, that's why he has less yardage.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:43 am to Kcoyote
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4 times this year. And he gets taken out of those games, that's why he has less yardage.
This
McCarron throws for 171 against Chattanooga before Saban pulls him.
Les lets Mettenberger throw for over 300 against Furman before pulling him.
Somehow according to Rick that has something to do with their talent.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:47 am to Kcoyote
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4 times this year. And he gets taken out of those games, that's why he has less yardage.
he has more pass attempts than Mett so throw that argument out.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:50 am to Libertyabides71
What are y'all arguing about? Obviously McCarron's statistics aren't going to tell the whole story for him this season.
In reality, he's smart, accurate, has good pocket presence, doesn't make big mistakes, and has proven he can win games for his team (despite the game manager talk).
He's a really solid, consistent, experienced college quarterback. Probably the best in Alabama history.
Will he be a good pro? Unless you're an Andrew Luck-type, it's hard to tell nowadays.
I think Mettenberger has a lot more NFL potential, simply because he's god a better body and arm. However, I also think he's got a better chance of being a huge bust.
I'd take Mettenberger over McCarron if I were an NFL team though. I think McCarron at best is an Alex Smith. A true NFL game managing quarterback who can still win you a game if you need him to, but is going to need people around him. Mettenberger at best is a Pro Bowler.
In reality, he's smart, accurate, has good pocket presence, doesn't make big mistakes, and has proven he can win games for his team (despite the game manager talk).
He's a really solid, consistent, experienced college quarterback. Probably the best in Alabama history.
Will he be a good pro? Unless you're an Andrew Luck-type, it's hard to tell nowadays.
I think Mettenberger has a lot more NFL potential, simply because he's god a better body and arm. However, I also think he's got a better chance of being a huge bust.
I'd take Mettenberger over McCarron if I were an NFL team though. I think McCarron at best is an Alex Smith. A true NFL game managing quarterback who can still win you a game if you need him to, but is going to need people around him. Mettenberger at best is a Pro Bowler.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:53 am to Rickdaddy4188
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he has more pass attempts than Mett so throw that argument out.
3?
277 vs 274.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:53 am to BayouBengals03
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In reality, he's smart, accurate, has good pocket presence, doesn't make big mistakes, and has proven he can win games for his team (despite the game manager talk).
I've said all this too. They can't stand anyone saying Mett is playing qb better than AJ this year. They keep saying ," AJ get talent out of games and that's why Mett has more yards."
I keep saying,"AJ has more passing attempts than Mett and has 600 yards less. it doesn't matter that when AJ gets pulled from the game , he has still thrown the ball more than Mett.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:55 am to Rickdaddy4188
Mett has the best arm but has no legs to escape pressure. Murray is the most accurate, but has been beat up his entire career. McCarron has had the most serviceable line, has been off on his accuracy all year, but is solid under pressure. They are all tough as nails. JFF is damn good and can make plays out of nothing, but his receivers have saved him a lot of times, he has the best wheels.
Hard to rank these guys, they all have their pros and cons.
Hard to rank these guys, they all have their pros and cons.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:56 am to Libertyabides71
Yes it's 3 more but those 3 more pass attempts disprove the theory that AJ doesn't get the chance to throw as much as Mett because AJ gets taken out. It disproves it because AJ has Had more throws to get yards than Mett.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:58 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Yes it's 3 more but those 3 more pass attempts disprove the theory that AJ doesn't get the chance to throw as much as Mett because AJ gets taken out. It disproves it because AJ has Had more throws to get yards than Mett.
And AJ has thrown to guys that were open less than has he has thrown it to the other team?
You would be right if the competition was Long Ball, Mettenberger definitely chunks it deep very well. Its the whole executing an offense/leading his team to wins thing that has bugged him.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:02 am to Rickdaddy4188
In your opinion, who would you take first? I'm thinking Murray before his injury, second would be Mett because of his arm strength and potential, both QB's would need a good o line, but same with MCarron. JFF will make things happen, but make a lot of mistakes.
edit: I haven't read the whole thread so I'm just jumping in.
edit: I haven't read the whole thread so I'm just jumping in.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 2:04 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:03 am to Libertyabides71
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You would be right if the competition was Long Ball, Mettenberger definitely chunks it deep very well. Its the whole executing an offense/leading his team to wins thing that has bugged him.
Playing behind the line McCarron has certainly makes it a lot easier to execute an offense.
Alabama has the most talent in the SEC, and it's really not debatable. McCarron isn't asked to do an incredible amount. Now, I'm not saying he couldn't do more if they needed him to. Because he has proven he can make all the throws. I'm just saying you don't have to make a lot of tough throws or game-changing play if you're the Alabama quarterback this season.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:03 am to Snakebucket
I think a bad team might reach for JFF because he's a person of interest who will sell football tickets in the short term at least. I don't know if he will be the best pro of the bunch tho. It seems to me with his exposure to Cam Cameron and his superior arm strength Mett will get a serious look but I have no idea if he what it takes to really succeed at the next level.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:07 am to BayouBengals03
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Playing behind the line McCarron has certainly makes it a lot easier to execute an offense.
Alabama has the most talent in the SEC, and it's really not debatable. McCarron isn't asked to do an incredible amount. Now, I'm not saying he couldn't do more if they needed him to. Because he has proven he can make all the throws. I'm just saying you don't have to make a lot of tough throws or game-changing play if you're the Alabama quarterback this season.
You guys say this like LSU is devoid of talent. Both those starting WR's will be Sunday stars.
Granted I have watched a lot more of our games than I have your games but I have seen at least 5 LSU games (other than Bama LSU) in their entirety this year. Cam Cameron has done some great things with the LSU offense but you guys don't seem to rely on Mett at all from a mental capacity. In the games I've saw you guys tend to run the play as called 3/4 of the time. Mettenberger isn't making checks/reads/calls I've seen AJ make for 3 years now. That is what has me question Mett's on field mental capacity. Now if I was paying Cameron surely I would trust him I just wonder how much he trusts Mett.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 2:11 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:08 am to molsusports
I think Mett has the strongest arm, but he is terrible moving around.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:12 am to 2close2Gainesville
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I think Mett has the strongest arm, but he is terrible moving around.
yep and even with Cameron its a one read/chuck and duck passing game which makes Mettenberger seem a lot like Flacco.
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