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re: Mett, McCarron, Murray, JFF draft order
Posted on 11/26/13 at 11:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 11/26/13 at 11:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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AJ has thrown for more than 190 yards only 3 times this year. Mett has almost 600 more yards than AJ with LESS ATTEMPTS.
Now you're just making stuff up.
AJ has thrown for more than 190 4 times this year, 7 times last year, 7 times his first year.
Unless you mistyped you just made a stat up completely.
Edit: And yes I realize Mett has more yards. He also completes less passes, and has less TDs. AJ also has less interceptions on over 300 more attempts. That's an invaluable skill in the NFL. Not throwing picks.
Look at Tannehill. He can throw it deep, but when he gets pressured he has no pocket presence and throws just as many picks as TDs.
This post was edited on 11/26/13 at 11:16 pm
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 11:25 pm to Kcoyote
I'm talking about this year. He has thrown for MORE than 190 3 times this year. I think AJ will be a good pro , but if it's going by measurable, there may not be a better pro qb prospect than Mett( just going by measurables).
Posted on 11/26/13 at 11:29 pm to Kcoyote
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Edit: And yes I realize Mett has more yards. He also completes less passes, and has less TDs. AJ also has less interceptions on over 300 more attempts. That's an invaluable skill in the NFL. Not throwing picks.
Well AJ has thrown less Ints because bama usually has comfortable lead and there is no reason to force the ball.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
And because he makes good decisions.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:20 am to Kcoyote
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And because he makes good decisions.
He does make good decisions and almost always make the right hot read , but it's easy to make good decisions when he doesn't have to force the ball down field. He is the most accurate qb coming out.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:22 am to Rickdaddy4188
I personally like his pocket presence. He rolls out really well and doesn't take bad sacks. That's a tribute to his O-line but also because he can feel the pressure.
However, even I want him to stay in the pocket longer sometimes. He runs out too easy.
However, even I want him to stay in the pocket longer sometimes. He runs out too easy.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:25 am to Snakebucket
AJ is 6'4" 215 so his measurables are not going to hurt him either. It seems yet again this thread like so many others has fallen into the AJ equals McElroy trap. One thing I never saw Mettenberger or JFF do is audible much. Their offenses came off as very simple for the QB to manage.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:26 am to Kcoyote
McCarron reminds me of Jason Campbell as he was coming out of Auburn. Accurate, good but not great arm, doesn't make many mistakes, good at checking down for easy completions and making easy passes look, well, easy
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:27 am to slaphappy
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Murray is gonna be a deal for someone. Lots will stay away due to injury. I hope the Saints pick him up in a steal!
As much as I hate the Saints, I do hope they draft Murray. It is the best thing that could happen to him. Playing behind and getting mentored by Brees, his QB idol that he models his game after, would be the absolute perfect situation for him.
As for the OP, assuming Murray recovers well and quickly enough to at least have a Pro Day and workouts for teams:
1) Mett
2) Manziel
3) Murray
4) McCarron
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:28 am to plainstiger1994
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McCarron reminds me of Jason Campbell as he was coming out of Auburn. Accurate, good but not great arm, doesn't make many mistakes, good at checking down for easy completions and making easy passes look, well, easy
AJ is better than Jason Cambell.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:30 am to Rickdaddy4188
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AJ is better than Jason Cambell
As evidenced by......???
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:35 am to Kcoyote
quote:he has really good pocket presence. He also keeps his eyes down field when the pocket breaks down. Rare quality in cfb.
I personally like his pocket presence. He rolls out really well and doesn't take bad sacks. That's a tribute to his O-line but also because he can feel the pressure.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:40 am to plainstiger1994
This.
Jason Cambell
2001: 89/142 for 1,117 yards with 4 TD vs 5 INT. 72 yards with 2 TD rushing.
2002: 94/149 for 1,215 yards with 11 TD vs 5 INT. 206 yards with 3 TD rushing.
2003: 181/293 for 2,267 yards with 10 TD vs 8 INT. -1 yard with 1 TD rushing.
2004: 188/270 for 2,700 yards with 20 TD vs 7 INT. 30 yards with 3 TD rushing
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:42 am to Rickdaddy4188
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He does make good decisions and almost always make the right hot read , but it's easy to make good decisions when he doesn't have to force the ball down field. He is the most accurate qb coming out.
A lot people like to ignore how easy it is to make those throws and those reads when you have a half an hour to hang out back there and do so. He is accurate, but not close to the most accurate, even ignoring that rarely has to throw under anything resembling pressure.
McCarron is a decent pro prospect, but overrated by many ITT. He would be best served to get drafted somewhere like KC and take over for Smith. Or Cincy and take over for Dalton. Those are a pair of solid teams with good to great weapons to throw to that currently have two of the most horrible QBs in football.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Well AJ has thrown less Ints because bama usually has comfortable lead and there is no reason to force the ball.
The reason he has thrown for less yards as well is it not?
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
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This.
Jason Cambell
2001: 89/142 for 1,117 yards with 4 TD vs 5 INT. 72 yards with 2 TD rushing.
2002: 94/149 for 1,215 yards with 11 TD vs 5 INT. 206 yards with 3 TD rushing.
2003: 181/293 for 2,267 yards with 10 TD vs 8 INT. -1 yard with 1 TD rushing.
2004: 188/270 for 2,700 yards with 20 TD vs 7 INT. 30 yards with 3 TD rushing
Read my original post, didn't say Campbell had a better career. He in no way had a better career, however, his 2004 season (his last season before getting drafted) was as good as any season Mccarron has had in a much better defensive era. Regardless, I was talking purely as a pro prospect, AJ reminds me of Campbell. Similar style.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:47 am to plainstiger1994
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Mccarron has had in a much better defensive
What? Lsu, bama and uF were all down in 2004.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:48 am to Algerian
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I really like AJ as a college QB but I'm not sure he can make all the throws at the next level. He seems like a decent kid and I hope I'm wrong but I don't see him making much of an impact in the league.
- Mett could be really good or just as easily flame out, only having one year of real coaching hasn't given anyone enough of a body of work.
- JFF- I don't know fellas after what I saw in TS on Saturday I'm just not seeing it.
AJ can make every throw in an NFL offense and has on the field. Once you can make all the throws any extra arm strength is just wasted.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:51 am to Dandy Lion
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thank you. He reminds me of Dalton. A winner, but I don´t think he´s of that calibre, as a pro. I may be wrong, and all the gumps will jump all over my shite, but I don´t think I am.
You are f cking retarded if McCarron reminds you of Dalton. The inability to give McCarron any credit in this thread is hilarious.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 12:53 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:53 am to Libertyabides71
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Once you can make all the throws any extra arm strength is just wasted.
No it's not. Strong arm helps in the weather and throwing across your body or throwing without planting your back foot. That is what makes strong arm qbs so valuable. They don't have to plant their back foot to make all the throws.
AJ can make all the throws though. He just needs work on his deep ball.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 12:54 am
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