re: Louisville - did the SEC miss out?

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The ten years because we're looking at where they are now (although 5 years might be better).

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Why not look further back then that? Is it because Louisville was in such pitiful shape that they almost had to disband their football program and drop down a division in athletics all together? If I'm adding a program into a conference long term, their sustainability beyond just a decade would certainly be something I'd look at.

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I think the Big 12 missed out on the Cards

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I was thinking the same thing. They should have added Louisville instead of TCU. The didn't need another team in Texas, Louisville is a better all around athletic program, it would have gotten them into a new market, and bridged the gap between WVU and the rest of the conference.

As usual though the Big 12 screwed up and their loss was the ACC's gain.

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I was thinking the same thing. They should have added Louisville instead of TCU. The didn't need another team in Texas, Louisville is a better all around athletic program, it would have gotten them into a new market, and bridged the gap between WVU and the rest of the conference.

As usual though the Big 12 screwed up and their loss was the ACC's gain.

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They may have tried to get Louisville..... who knows what happened behind closed doors. Louisville might have already been in talks with the ACC (which is a better fit for them).

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Legitimate question, is Mizzou (fanbase, alumnae, president, board of regents, faculty ), really ALL IN? Or do you think they might jump ship if the BIG came calling

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Their all in.

The fans, boosters, and coaches are all in and still very excited about the SEC. Donations are up, attendance is up, facilities are being upgraded, the stadium is being expanded, and we now have conference network to help increase our exposure. The university is also getting a lot more attention and publicity in more states than ever before and in one of the fastest growing areas of the country.

Everyone has been very impressed with the way the SEC conducts business and the support for all members across the league. The SEC really handled every aspect of our move in a first class manner. From full shares of revenue on day one, welcome signs, marque home games for both A&M and MU in their first SEC games, equal treatment and membership, and now the SEC B-Ball tournament is headed to STL in 2017.

I don't see any way they are going to convince the people with money that Mizzou should ever leave the SEC. Not to mention changing conferences for a large state school isn't an easy or cheap task. Leaving a corrupt conference that was on the verge of collapse wasn't easy, leaving the strongest and most stable conference isn't going to happen. Also the BIG and Mizzou didn't really end our last round of talks on great terms. I'd say that bridge is burned.

Like us or hate us we are going to be in the SEC for a long time.

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Not at all. I'm selling them just about right IMO. I never said they haven't had some recent success. But it's just that, recent.

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Well, they've been pretty successful at basketball my entire life. They've been successful at baseball since the mid 90s and have really taken off with McDonnell. They've been pretty good at football since the late 90s and have been to a couple of BSC Bowls. I see no reason why it can't stay on pace or, even if they slide back like they did with Kragthorpe, get back on track.

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hink it's a solid benchmark of whether a program can be sustainable long-term. You've been in how many conferences in the last 10 years? You're just now in a power BCS conference (in terms of football).

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2 in the last 10 but the ACC will be their 3rd. Not everyone can start out in a power conference. And they're stepping up each time. I guess we'll finally see if they can hold their own (although I don't see the ACC as a power football conference )

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And we've seen other programs, bigger and better programs, backslide into mediocrity with far more success then what Louisville has seen in the last few years.

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I'm not saying they won't, just that they've been pretty damn good the last 10 years.

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I'm not saying they won't, just that they've been pretty damn good the last 10 years.

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And we'll see how they'll do in a much better football conference then the ones they've been in.

Their biggest concern on the basketball end is how will they handle playing second fiddle to Duke and North Carolina in the ACC. I think they'll remain good consistently in basketball because that's been established for quite some time. It'll just be an interesting thing to see happen in terms of who gets the most coverage/hype/etc they'll be third on the billing.

Just a lot of uncertainty there IMO and makes a lot of sense at to why they were passed over in expansion by some other conferences for teams even in the Big East.

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You're the one that said look at the last 10 years? so I did

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You've obviously not been reading my posts.

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That's not bad considering they almost dispanded football. They went from CUSA - Big East - Acc in 11 years. That aint bad either.

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So a record in Conference USA and the Big East = a record in the SEC. Got it. Thanks.

You're obviously missing my point. It's a moot point to compare records as a basis for who deserves more to be in the SEC because they've been on two totally different playing fields in terms of the strength of the conferences played in. Of course Louisville is going to have a stronger overall record vs. the likes of UConn, South Florida, Memphis, Cinci, etc when Kentucky is playing Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, etc in that same span. Mizzou is a good example of the difference between even the Big 12 and the SEC. And in the long run Mizzou has a more viable athletic program IMO.

Louisville literally doesn't add any more then Mizzou when you look at the whole picture. Mizzou has better academics, a market the SEC didn't have (Kentucky OWNS the Kentucky market), and a more sustainable athletic program looking at the two's history.

I'm not saying Mizzou or Kentucky doesn't belong, your basketball alone ( both schools) is important. I wish we would add Duke & UNC and lock the door. But we can acknowledge that the ACC got a hell of a pick up.