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re: List the cheaters you've played this decade
Posted on 4/25/11 at 5:27 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 4/25/11 at 5:27 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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We've self-reported three penalties since we began playing football in 1893. None have been major, and the most severe occurred under Nick Saban.
You had an assistant coach back in 86 provide transportation, lodging, and free dinners to a recruit and his family. This sounds almost what has happened again this past year. It's listed as a major infraction at LSU and it wasn't under Coach Saban's watch.
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Posted on 4/25/11 at 6:09 pm to jatebe
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You had an assistant coach back in 86 provide transportation, lodging, and free dinners to a recruit and his family. This sounds almost what has happened again this past year. It's listed as a major infraction at LSU and it wasn't under Coach Saban's watch
Our first penalty of any kind in football was over an assistant buying a recruit a cheeseburger in 1986. I think this is what you're referring to, and you're ballooning the accusations to be much, much more than they were.
In fact, the NCAA gave LSU football a one year "probation" without any penalties whatsoever for the infraction. No scholarships lost, no recruiting curtailed, no fines. Nothing.
It was in fact, a slap on the wrist.
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The National Collegiate Athletic Association said today it put the Louisiana State University football program on a one-year probation without sanctions. The findings of the infractions committee were announced last month by L.S.U.. ''The violations found in football were not considered serious in nature,''
L.S.U. Football Put on Probation
"The violations found in football were not considered serious in
nature," said Frank J. Remington, chair, NCAA Committee on
Infractions, "and they did not demonstrate a pattern of abuse by the
football coaching staff.
"It should be emphasized, however, that one current assistant
football coach violated a recruiting rule when he transported a
prospect to a restaurant and entertained the young man for a meal.
Although that violation was not considered serious in itself, the
incident was compounded when the coach subsequently gave false
information to the NCAA and his institution regarding the matter.
"The committee, therefore, imposed disciplinary action against the
assistant coach and determined after a review of all findings that a
one-year probationary period would be an appropriate monitoring
period."
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It's listed as a major infraction at LSU...
By whom, exactly?
This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 4/25/11 at 6:11 pm to woopiginaustin
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To be found guilty soon and vacate a season/win:
OSU
Auburn
psh
Can't touch this!
Posted on 4/25/11 at 7:18 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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assistant buying a recruit a cheeseburger in 1986.
although not a whole lot happened. this is not what happened. there was more like seafood dinner, transportation, money to a couple guys, giving tickets, paying for lodging, paying for unapproved transportation, booster paying for a couple of guys to enroll in a football camp. Although all the money was not much, it was not just a cheeseburger. And one of your first comments was that the NCAA has agreed to LSU's self imposed sanctions which they have not.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 8:22 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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TigersOfGeauxld
From the official NCAA site....
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On one occasion during January l984, an assistant football coach transported a prospect to a restaurant where he entertained the young man for a meal; further, the coach subsequently gave false information to the NCAA and his institution regarding this matter;
(b) during the 1981-82 academic year, during the expense-paid visit to the university's campus of a prospective student-athlete, a then assistant football coach arranged one night's lodging at a hotel in Baton Rouge for the young man's brother, sister and brother-in-law at no cost to them; further, the coach entertained these individuals for at least one meal at a seafood restaurant and another meal at a university cafeteria during the visit;
(c) during the summer of 1982, a representative of the university's athletics interests transported two prospects by automobile round trip between their homes and Baton Rouge at no cost to the young men in order for them to attend the university's summer football camp; further, the representative paid the camp fee of approximately $250 for the young men, and during the l982-83 academic year, gave cash to them on several occasions (a total of approximately $80 to $l00 for each young man);
(d) during the spring of the 1982-83 academic year, two representatives of the university's athletics interests and one booster organization for the university's athletics program paid the football camp fees for three young men who were high school athletics award winners;
(e) in January 1982, during the expense-paid visit to the university's campus of a prospective student-athlete, the university paid expenses to the young man in an amount that was in excess of the actual expenses incurred by him, and
(f) in January 1983, during the expense-paid visit to the university's campus of two prospective student-athletes, the university paid $33.48 to each young man as reimbursement for round-trip automobile transportation, even though another prospective student-athlete transported them
for the visit.
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2. Violations of the principles governing complimentary tickets, extra benefits to enrolled student-athletes and coaching-staff limitations [NCAA Constitution 3-l-(g)-(3) and 3-l-(g)-(5), and Bylaw 7-l-(e" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer"> --
(a) On four occasions during the fall of 1981, a then assistant football coach arranged for a student-athlete to sell four complimentary football tickets for the university's home games to an unidentified individual for approximately $200;
(b) in December 1982, two representatives of the university's athletics interests arranged for $300 cash to be given to the father of a student-athlete in order to travel from his home to Miami, Florida, for the 1983 Orange Bowl game, and
(c) in January 1986, at the conclusion of the expense-paid visit to the university's campus of a prospective student-athlete, a graduate assistant football coach arranged for a student-athlete to transport the young man and the coach to the young man's home.
I believe this is more than just buying a cheeseburger for a recruit.
NCAA Legislative Services Database
I realize that this is over 20 years ago, but the only reason I posted it was because you said that LSU didn't have any major infractions. This is posted on the site under major infractions.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 8:25 pm to woopiginaustin
SEC officials
Posted on 4/25/11 at 11:25 pm to NYCAuburn
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although not a whole lot happened. this is not what happened
This is what the NCAA had to say:
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MISSION, KANSAS--The National Collegiate Athletic Association's Committee on Infractions announced today that Louisiana State University has been placed on probation for a period of one year for violations occurring in the sport of football. Included in the penalties is a requirement for the institution to submit a written report to the NCAA by February l, l987, that identifies measures taken to ensure that football coaching staff members are knowledgeable regarding NCAA legislation. No sanction affecting postseason competition or television appearances was imposed against the university. One current assistant football coach was involved in a recruiting violation in the case, and action was taken to require him to complete the course of instruction regarding NCAA legislation and to limit his off-campus recruiting activities during the l986-87 academic year. The violations did not involve any other current football coach.
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"The committee, therefore, imposed disciplinary action against the assistant coach and determined after a review of all findings that a one-year probationary period would be an appropriate monitoring period.
Again, no penalties were assessed other than the one year monitoring period.
This post was edited on 4/26/11 at 12:16 am
Posted on 4/25/11 at 11:31 pm to jatebe
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I realize that this is over 20 years ago, but the only reason I posted it was because you said that LSU didn't have any major infractions. This is posted on the site under major infractions.
Your link is no good, session expired.
This is what the NCAA had to say at the time:
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"It should be emphasized, however, that one current assistant football coach violated a recruiting rule when he transported a prospect to a restaurant and entertained the young man for a meal. Although that violation was not considered serious in itself, the incident was compounded when the coach subsequently gave false information to the NCAA and his institution regarding the matter. "The committee, therefore, imposed disciplinary action against the assistant coach and determined after a review of all findings that a one-year probationary period would be an appropriate monitoring period."
Again, you typed all that, and it still comes down to the fact LSU only received a one year "probation" period that involved monitoring the program for any further penalties, of which none occurred obviously.
Regarding the "major infractions", I believe the confusion arises as a result of the fact the NCAA uses the term 'probation" differently now.
You don't hear of programs getting a probationary monitoring term anymore.
The total amount of penalties incurred by LSU is still three. The amount of scholarships lost as a result of penalties is six. Four under Saban and two under Miles, all self-imposed.
Games forfeited, wins vacated, bowls banned, recruiting visits curtailed, fines levied...still zero.
This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:05 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Your link is no good, session expired.
Link is good. You just have to search each time. Put mouse on search, then down to major infractions. Then under institutions, start typing Louisiana State or any other college you want to check. A drop down will appear with the institutions, click the Louisiana State one, and then "go search".
All the major infraction cases that the NCAA has of LSU will appear, which are 2. You can click the box of one or both and then "get selected items". This will tell you about the cases and show the documents and the penalties that were imposed.
Is this too complicated?
Posted on 4/26/11 at 12:17 am to jatebe
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All the major infraction cases that the NCAA has of LSU will appear, which are 2.
You obviously didn't restrict it to football then. If you look again, the other was men's basketball, the Lester Earl case. Feel free to ask any LSU fan about that one lol. Under football there is one. And even that one involved concurrent investigations into both men's and women's basketball. Probably the only reason it's listed under 'major".
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Is this too complicated?
Ironic, given what I typed above. Well, is "one year probation without sanctions" too complicated for you? Do you get that?
Edit: Here are the exact words from the Public Report:
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MISSION, KANSAS--The National Collegiate Athletic Association's Committee on Infractions announced today that Louisiana State University has been placed on probation for a period of one year for violations occurring in the sport of football. Included in the penalties is a requirement for the institution to submit a written report to the NCAA by February l, l987, that identifies measures taken to ensure that football coaching staff members are knowledgeable regarding NCAA legislation. No sanction affecting postseason competition or television appearances was imposed against the university. One current assistant football coach was involved in a recruiting violation in the case, and action was taken to require him to complete the course of instruction regarding NCAA legislation and to limit his off-campus recruiting activities during the l986-87 academic year. The violations did not involve any other current football coach.
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"The committee, therefore, imposed disciplinary action against the assistant coach and determined after a review of all findings that a one-year probationary period would be an appropriate monitoring period.
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The violations found in football were not considered serious in nature," said Frank J. Remington, chair, NCAA Committee on Infractions, "and they did not demonstrate a pattern of abuse by the football coaching staff.
So to sum up, LSU's one "major" NCAA investigation to date netted the football program a year's probation without sanctions.
This post was edited on 4/26/11 at 7:30 am
Posted on 4/26/11 at 7:31 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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TigersOfGeauxld
So you would you say that Jatebe and I are correct in everything that we posted in response to your previous false comments? Cheeseburger and NCAA agreed to self imposed penalties.
You are pretty good a not responding directly to what is being discussed with pertinent information
Posted on 4/26/11 at 7:36 am to NYCAuburn
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You are pretty good a not responding directly to what is being discussed with pertinent information
And you are pretty good at saying things that you can't back up.
I'm quoting facts, you're trying and failing to cast another school in as bad a light as your own.
You and your whole fan base are laughable. I get that you're butthurt at how everyone perceives your school. I understand it bothers you that some schools win without cheating.
And I don't give a damn.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 7:54 am to TigersOfGeauxld
You come across as a huge tool.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 7:54 am to woopiginaustin
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My threads are full of pig fail
FIFY
Anymore changes you want to make? You're either 12 or as dumb as the stereo type
Posted on 4/26/11 at 7:59 am to NYCAuburn
This thread Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:10 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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TigersOfGeauxld
Jatabe quoted all the facts for my statement and his. he gave you the link. I have the feeling you read them, yet wont admit it. you at least read the opening statement of the NCAA rulling. now go down a little further. If you dont want to go back, please see Jatebe's quotes above.
where are your facts, you have quoted statements that summarize without quoting the facts, as well as false statements(NCAA agreed). Again, both Jatebe and I are right in our statements, yet you in your delusional state fail to recognize that. You always seem to side step the debate at hand with saying your school is a bunch of cheats. Did I ever say LSU was a bunch cheats? no You made some statements that were false or less than truthfull and then you all you say is well Auburn cheats, Alabama cheats and we mad. You are full of fail, dude.
This post was edited on 4/26/11 at 8:17 am
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:13 am to Ross
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You come across as a huge tool
This^^^^
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:25 am to woopiginaustin
Please never start a thread again. I hope you drown while burning to death in a fire. 
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:26 am to BamaInHsv
Methinks this thread has really gotten under some barner's skin.
a little late but
a little late but
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:28 am to ThaKaptin
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Methinks this thread has really gotten under some barner's skin.
Actually, for once and a lifetime bammer and barner united on the end of this one
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