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Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:03 pm to Roses of Crimson
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:03 pm to Roses of Crimson
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SMU was never supposed to recruit like Texas. It was simply the very thing that got the investigations started.
Actually, a paid player who was dismissed from the team for substance abuse became the whistle blower who brought the program down.
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:04 pm to Kilgore Trout
Well at least Tunsil never had substance abuse issues
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:07 pm to Lionnation1993
Unfortunately, you're right. Which is why the NCAA should allow immediate transfer eligibility from non P5 schools.
If they don't do something to move the curve a little, CFB is going to get stagnant pretty fast. The problem with only about 10, maybe 15, programs nationally having a legitimate shot, is it only accounts for a small portion of the total interest in CFB.
If they don't do something to move the curve a little, CFB is going to get stagnant pretty fast. The problem with only about 10, maybe 15, programs nationally having a legitimate shot, is it only accounts for a small portion of the total interest in CFB.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:10 pm to Sun God
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Well at least Tunsil never had substance abuse issues
Tunsil's first mistake was defending his mom against an abusive stepdad. Few middle-aged men are going to come out on top against a 6-5 305 athlete, so stepdad's only recourse was to spill the beans. "That'll teach that boy to kick my arse."
The second mistake was lack of full cooperation on Tunsil's part after the investigation started.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:12 pm to Ansu Sesay
We're actually the second most firmly entrenched program in the big 6. Nice try tho
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:13 pm to Kilgore Trout
Actually I think his first mistake was keeping a free car for a few months
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:54 pm to Kilgore Trout
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Times are changing, sec network money has leveled the playing field.
there is definitely some truth to this, but it isn't such a big factor than an OM type program can start pulling in top 5 classes on the reg if they aren't doing some seriously shady stuff.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:59 pm to spslayto
A lot of posters always say things abiut A&M being this mysterious "power". Well show me evidence that A&M has ever been a consistant winner in the SWC or the Big12 or now the SEC? There has never been sustained success there and certainly not in the last 15 years or so. The traditional SEC "Big 6" have all won NCs in the last 15 years or so except UGA. A&M does not recruit at the level that the "Big6" routinely do either. Not being offensive just saying the truth. I dont see A&M as being a consistant "Big6" team anymore than Arkansas has been.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:01 pm to Sun God
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90s recruiting mags
Oh right. I actually remember those, vaguely. It was an interesting time, when you could read from cover to cover and not recognize a single name. The recruiting sites have taken a bit of the excitement out of it, and that's a little sad.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:13 pm to Kilgore Trout
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Actually, a paid player who was dismissed from the team for substance abuse became the whistle blower who brought the program down.
That didn't occur until AFTER they had been investigated and put on NCAA probation the first time around. The red flags went up when Eric Dickerson and Craig James both signed with SMU in the same recruiting class. That was 1979. They came under NCAA investigation 2-3 years later. They didn't get the death penalty until 1986 or 1987.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:14 pm to Lionnation1993
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Ole Miss isn't Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, UF, or Tennessee.
Well, those other school's aren't Alabama either.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:41 pm to randomways
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:45 pm to pvilleguru
But none of them has been since 1963 since last winning an SEC title like Ole Miss.
Ole Miss is not even close to any of the "Big 6" and that is just the fact of the matter.
Ole Miss is not even close to any of the "Big 6" and that is just the fact of the matter.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:53 pm to SouthMSReb
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This is a serious question; no troll. Was LSU recruiting good before Saban? As in top 10 every year?
Some names from signing classes prior to saban at LSU:
1999 (Dinardo):
DB/RB Domanick Davis
LB Bradie James
DE Chad Lavalais
RB LaBrandon Toefield
DB Ryan Clark
1998 (Dinardo):
DL Kenderick Allen
DL Chad Lavalais
DB Damien James
RB Josh Reed
OT Rob Sale
DL Howard Green
1997 (Dinardo):
QB Rohan Davey
DE Jarvis Green
OT Louis Williams
TE Robert Royal
1996 (Dinardo):
DB Mark Roman
RB Cecil Collins
TE Brandon Winey
1995 (Dinardo):
RB Kevin Faulk
C Todd McClure
RB Rondell Mealey
DT Anthony McFarland
1994 (Hallman):
QB Josh Booty
OL Alan Faneca
1993 (Hallman):
LB Chuck Wiley
WR Eddie Kennison
LB Kenny Mixon
1992 (Hallman):
RB David Butler
RB Robert Davis
RB Robert Toomer
DB Tory James
LB Gabe Northern
Some notables from the 80s:
C Kevin Mawae
RB Harvey Williams
Eric Hill
Greg Jackson
Ron Sancho
Wendell davis
Karl Dunbar
Tommy Hodson
Ruffin Rodrigue
Nacho Albergamo
Eric Andolsek
Brian Kinchen
Henry Thomas
Toby Caston
Roland Barbay
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:23 pm to randomways
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Not sure when Scout was founded, but I don't think they preceded Rivals
I think Scout was before Rivals by a couple years. Also, although LSU and DiNardo and those before him did recruit well, they didn't do great.
One issue was that the really highest profile athletes usually always left the state.
It wasn't locked down back then like Saban locked it down. Saban brought the culture of playing for LSU if you were from Louisiana stick country.
An amusing time was when Saban was first hired at Alabama and LSU fans claimed Saban would never recruit Louisiana. Consequently, Alabama's recruiting efforts would fail miserably.
Little did any of the irate and upset Tigers know that, in the history of Alabama football, only 7 players from Louisiana had ever played for Alabama.
But, for years, they were convinced that Bama's recruiting efforts would be devastated by no longer being able to rely on their state.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:25 pm to A Lite
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One issue was that the really highest profile athletes usually always left the state.
after 1995, this changed a lot. the issue with Dinardo was he built the program up and then made a terrible DC hire and went down with the ship instead of firing him. LSU was 6th in the country in 1998 week 4, loaded with talent on both sides of the ball, then Lou Tepper happened. LSU lost games that year scoring 27, 36, 31, and 36 points. They blew a first half lead against Florida and blew a late lead against Alabama. It was maddening, but that team was loaded with NFL talent
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:42 pm to A Lite
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One issue was that the really highest profile athletes usually always left the state.
Not really outside of the late 80s/early 90s.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:56 pm to Old Money
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LSU has never had a recruiting problem, just coaching ones.
I don't think recruiting ever got terribly bad and coaching made LSU underperform more than talent, but LSU does recruit better since the turn of the century. Lots of top Louisiana talent did not play at LSU in the 90's. Warrick Dunn, Travis Minor, Marhall Faulk, Ike Hilliard, Cordell Stewart... just a few that come to mind... and that is not counting Peyton Manning. Recruiting wasn’t covered like now, but It wouldn’t surprise me if some of those guys did not even considered LSU amongst their top 2 or 3 choices.
A few studs still end up elsewhere these days of course, but proportionately LSU holds local talent and attracts top OOS talent much better now.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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there is definitely some truth to this, but it isn't such a big factor than an OM type program can start pulling in top 5 classes on the reg if they aren't doing some seriously shady stuff.
Hasn't MSU's recruiting improved remarkably under Mullen? Didn't State just sign a 5-start recruit in Simmons? That's a sword that cuts both ways.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:03 pm to Roses of Crimson
SEC network has made basically every team relevant besides Vanderbilt. They are just the ones who will eventually be running the SEC and making the TV deals. Just accept that everyone is pretty good and can be equal. It's not that hard and I know you guys are scared, but times really are changing. Alabama is the only Team of the "big 6" living up to the hype right now. Arkansas and Ole Miss are going to be lingering for a while and so will Texas A&M if they get their shite together. Tough titty fellas, you are just going to have to accept it. Maybe the SEC network was an awful idea for the big 6. I bet Saban will tie in some "player safety" bs excuse to get rid of it because he has competition now.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 6:15 pm
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