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re: Les Miles Will Not Win Another SEC Championship At LSU
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:00 am to m2pro
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:00 am to m2pro
No coach will do what Steve Spurrier did in the 90's. The best you could hope for as a fan is a chance to win East or West 2 years in a row.
Too many good coaches who have all won before and provided very good teams.
Too many good coaches who have all won before and provided very good teams.
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Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:00 am to m2pro
yea right. bama fans will run saban out of town if he doesnt bring them an SEC title in the next 3 years.
This post was edited on 5/24/09 at 12:16 am
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:04 am to tduecen
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Nutt has consistently fielded strong teams at Arkansas which isnt exactly a hot bed for recruiting talent.
He is innovative and smart offense guy, he has won the SEC West 3 times since 98.
Richt has won the East 3 times since 01 neither have played in a NC game.
I don't understand why you would compare the two. Go look at their SEC coaching records and you can see the huge difference in production. Richt has also won the division 4 times going by the method you did for Nutt. Richt has a far better resume in 3 less seasons. There is no reason to stand up for Nutt. It just blows me away that Nutt is still coaching in the SEC and Ole Miss thinks he is the 3rd or 4th best coach in the conference.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:07 am to m2pro
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it won't matter. Saban will win.
Well I think Miles will win so ha.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:12 am to lsutiger2486
I don't even think I want to add a clever response after all the nonsensical stuff I read on the first page about Miles not being a good coach and just winning on talent, etc. It was all signs of flaming, so good luck with all that. 
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:16 am to Froman
Okay, I will say one thing. It'd be different if this stuff was being said after four or five years went by, but the dude won the SEC two seasons ago, and with a possibly more talented team taking the field this season than that one, I'd say it is likely he'll win one again.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:16 am to Duke
says a dumbass Hottey Totty...
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:17 am to Duke
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I remember when I first moved to Baton Rouge. I saw this schedule at Voodoo BBQ asking fans to "Do More For Les." I'm a sucker for clever wordplay, so I dug it.
That gets me to this point, no one does Les With More than Les Miles. The only team able to bring equal talent in the SEC was Florida since he's been at LSU. For two years he got to coach against Mike Shula, Coach O, and Croom every season. Houston fricking Nutt was probably the best coach he faced in the West over that stretch. I love Houston, but he's not an elite coach.
Now he does have a 2-2 record with Urban and a 1-1 record with Saban. This obviously means they're equals right. When you look at the forest of stats, sometimes you miss the trees of circumstance that make it up. He hit Urban his first year at UF, without the system fully in place and at Tiger Stadium after being crushed by Alabama. The other one took five fourth down conversions against a team starting freshman on defense everywhere. That's not a knock, beating Florida is certainly doing something right. Look on the other end. The Gators outlasted LSU in 2006, a team that I still think was the most talented in the country by a fair measure that year. Then you have this year...
Also when is the last time you heard about a great coach having players quit on him during the year? When was the last time USC had an LSU style meltdown of last year? Urban Meyer? Steve Spurrier at UF, because you know he's not trying at USClite. Bob Stoops? Jim Tressel? LSU fans want Miles in the same breath, but he's got to rally the team after Bama and come out and spank Troy.
So we come to today. The West now is home to Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino. Houston Nutt is still in the mix, with more talent than he ever had at Arkansas (though I admit this will probably change after this year). Florida has risen completely in the East, making beating the East team much more difficult if LSU is lucky enough to get through Saban at Bama and whatever other SEC West school is causing ruckus that year.
What say the good people of the SEC Rant?
Bravo Duke, this is without a doubt the most reasonable and fair post in the history of this website. You sir, are a genius. Thank you for posting the truth.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:20 am to lsutiger2486
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Nutt has consistently fielded strong teams at Arkansas which isnt exactly a hot bed for recruiting talent.
He is innovative and smart offense guy, he has won the SEC West 3 times since 98.
Richt has won the East 3 times since 01 neither have played in a NC game.
I don't understand why you would compare the two. Go look at their SEC coaching records and you can see the huge difference in production. Richt has also won the division 4 times going by the method you did for Nutt. Richt has a far better resume in 3 less seasons. There is no reason to stand up for Nutt. It just blows me away that Nutt is still coaching in the SEC and Ole Miss thinks he is the 3rd or 4th best coach in the conference.
Nutt has also won 84-52 record in SEC coaching at Arkansas and Ole Miss. He has only had 2 losing seasons in 12 seasons. His teams consistently win in the SEC. How can you say he isn't a good coach? I mean with the fact at Arkansas he is getting 2/3/4 star recruits and winning with them. The dude can coach and has won, Richt has been at Georgia which is a more fertile recruiting ground than Arkansas.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:37 am to tduecen
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I mean with the fact at Arkansas he is getting 2/3/4
Arkansas has money and it has history. It also has the state of Arkansas and access to Big 12 country. It sure as hell can be big time.
Do you really think Ole Miss has more potential than Arkansas? I sure as hell don't. The guy took a step down and he wasn't even tearing it up at Arkansas.
Plus coaches like Fulmer and Tuberville just got fired. IMO they were better coaches and they are now out of it right now. Ole Miss basically has the 8th best coach in the SEC of the past several years.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 12:40 am to lsutiger2486
Dude has won, you cant say he is the 8th best coach in SEC when since 98 when he came in league he has better record than most.
He is a winner, he has won, and will continue to provide competitive teams in the West. He will probably continue just like he did at Arkansas win the West every 4 years and compete year in and year out.
He is a winner, he has won, and will continue to provide competitive teams in the West. He will probably continue just like he did at Arkansas win the West every 4 years and compete year in and year out.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:07 am to tduecen
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Dude has won, you cant say he is the 8th best coach in SEC when since 98 when he came in league he has better record than most.
He is a winner, he has won, and will continue to provide competitive teams in the West. He will probably continue just like he did at Arkansas win the West every 4 years and compete year in and year out.
Fulmer- Conference Win %.742 ,SEC Overall Win %.745
Meyer- Conference Win %.765 ,SEC Overall Win %.833
Miles- Conference Win %.688 ,SEC Overall Win %.792
Richt- Conference Win %.719 ,SEC Overall Win %.788
Saban- Conference Win %.714 ,SEC Overall Win %.736
Spurrier- Conference Win %.770 ,SEC Overall Win %.753
Tuberville- Conference Win %.561 ,SEC Overall Win %.647
Nutt- Conference Win %.534 ,SEC Overall Win %.618
So Nutt has the lowest winning %s and unlike every other coach has never won a SEC championship or BCS bowl game(any bowl that would qualify). 5 of the 7 other coaches also have NCs. Tuberville has a debateable claim for one with the only undefeated SEC team of the decade and Richt has coached two top 3 teams.
Nutt definitely falls at #8.
This post was edited on 5/24/09 at 1:14 am
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:17 am to RGCjr01
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Miles will be fired after Mullen's new spread offense puts the beatdown on him this year, IMO.
Fail! the spreadneck couldn't beat Starkville High school.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:18 am to inelishaitrust
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Bravo Duke, this is without a doubt the most reasonable and fair post in the history of this website. You sir, are a genius. Thank you for posting the truth.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:20 am to lsutiger2486
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Arkansas has money and it has history. It also has the state of Arkansas and access to Big 12 country. It sure as hell can be big time.
Do you really think Ole Miss has more potential than Arkansas? I sure as hell don't. The guy took a step down and he wasn't even tearing it up at Arkansas.
Mississippi has at least 3 times as much talent as the state of Arkansas.
So yeah, Ole Miss has more potential than Arkansas.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:22 am to inelishaitrust
Last I checked Fulmer and Tubberville were no longer in SEC... So again how can he be 8th best?
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:24 am to tduecen
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Last I checked Fulmer and Tubberville were no longer in SEC... So again how can he be 8th best?
Arkansas does not eqaul Tennessee or Auburn.
Why don't you compare the win percentage the five years before the coach got there instead of the coaches record at the current school.
Urban Meyer would not have as good as a record at Ole Miss as he would at Florida. I mean duh.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:32 am to tduecen
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Last I checked Fulmer and Tubberville were no longer in SEC... So again how can he be 8th best?
I said 8th best of the last several years.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:35 am to inelishaitrust
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Mississippi has at least 3 times as much talent as the state of Arkansas.
So yeah, Ole Miss has more potential than Arkansas.
I can't wait until Petrino starts stomping Ole Miss in the ground with this lowly Arkansas program you speak of.
Posted on 5/24/09 at 1:37 am to lsutiger2486
Again, they are no longer in SEC, we are discussing current SEC coaches.
See where I included Petrino/Kiffin which is where the argument started. There was no Tuberville/Fulmer.
See where I included Petrino/Kiffin which is where the argument started. There was no Tuberville/Fulmer.
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