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re: Lane Kiffin on Tennessee, the strength of the SEC, recruiting
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:44 pm to Tiger Authority
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:44 pm to Tiger Authority
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The dynamics at Tennessee and USC are not one in the same so any success at USC is not a testament to what he could have done at Tenn.
Kiffin was having no trouble beating out the elite in college football for players while he was here.
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Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:45 pm to UTVols2618
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With talent they do.
Dennis Erickson, Brady Hoke, Gary Patterson, Chris Petersen, Les Miles, and Mark Richt did
Saban, Stoops, Carroll, etc. didn't.
Are you really comparing the 2005 LSU roster to the 2009 Tennessee roster?
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:46 pm to volfan30
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Kiffin was having no trouble beating out the elite in college football for players while he was here.
Your point? That he can recruit? Yeah, he can recruit. How does that make him a great coach at tennessee on the verge of great things?
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:47 pm to ohiovol
Saban won in his first year at LSU. And we won the conference in his second.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:48 pm to Tiger Authority
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Your point? That he can recruit? Yeah, he can recruit. How does that make him a great coach at tennessee on the verge of great things?
Recruiting is kind of important.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:48 pm to Tiger Authority
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Saban won in his first year at LSU. And we won the conference in his second.
What did Saban win his first year at LSU?
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:49 pm to ohiovol
The quality of backups on the 2009 team were as bad as any Tenneseee team in recent memory.
Cory Eiccholtz, Tyler Wolf, the Sullins twins, Nigel Mitchell-Thornton, Chase Nelson, Anthony Anderson, and tons of true freshman were getting significant snaps.
Cory Eiccholtz, Tyler Wolf, the Sullins twins, Nigel Mitchell-Thornton, Chase Nelson, Anthony Anderson, and tons of true freshman were getting significant snaps.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:50 pm to ohiovol
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What did Saban win his first year at LSU?
A winning record. A bowl game. 8-4 I believe. Won the conference in his second.
Saban is a great coach and great recruiter. You cannot contest that.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:51 pm to volfan30
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The quality of backups on the 2009 team were as bad as any Tenneseee team in recent memory.
Cory Eiccholtz, Tyler Wolf, the Sullins twins, Nigel Mitchell-Thornton, Chase Nelson, Anthony Anderson, and tons of true freshman were getting significant snaps.
But we had 6 draft picks! Never mind that Eric Berry was essentially playing linebacker, that team was stacked.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:51 pm to ohiovol
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Recruiting is kind of important.
Sure. But does it prove that he was going to do great things? Not at all. Did he actually prove anything at Tenn? Nope.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:52 pm to Tiger Authority
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A winning record. A bowl game. 8-4 I believe.
So you're comparing a 7-4 regular season to a 7-5 regular season?
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Saban is a great coach and great recruiter. You cannot contest that.
Of course not. But he didn't win anything of significance his first year at either LSU or Alabama.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:53 pm to Tiger Authority
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Sure. But does it prove that he was going to do great things? Not at all. Did he actually prove anything at Tenn? Nope.
That doesn't mean he was full of shite when he said he was building something special. He absolutely believed it.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:54 pm to volfan30
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Kiffin was having no trouble beating out the elite in college football for players while he was here.
yes, very clearly he left y'all loaded.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:55 pm to VC
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yes, very clearly he left y'all loaded.
No one is saying he did. He wasn't around long enough to do so.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:55 pm to ohiovol
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ennessee did a lot better against Florida. There were multiple injuries on defense between then and Ole Miss.
UF ran a spread completely different than any team in the country. They pound the defense and wear them out. It was one of the few reasons UF is one of the only teams to have a great defense while running the spread. UT had the same starters on defense against UGA that they did against Ole Miss.
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I didn't like the call at the end. Not a lot you can do with awful quarterback play, though.
Im not denying that, but coaches have to be blamed for only scoring 15 points. If the coaches were reversed, you would say it was Dooley's fault and it was a terrible game plan.
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How much of that was right at the end when the game was already over?
If anything Kiffin should be blamed for not having a good offensive gameplan. I just don't see how its always the players fault when Kiffin was coaching but its the coaches fault when Dooley is coaching?
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:55 pm to ohiovol
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So you're comparing a 7-4 regular season to a 7-5 regular season?
I thought you said Saban didn't win his his first year? I was assuming you were referring to LSU, but I guess there are other options available for him.
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Of course not. But he didn't win anything of significance his first year at either LSU or Alabama.
Yeah and Kiffin never did and can't really claim he could have and have some objective third-party like myself believe him.
I really don't care about tennessee. We play y'all like once every ten years due to the stupid schedule format of the conference. And I can understand the disdain for Dooley, the what could have been thoughts of the prior guy because he's having success at USC, and feeling some soft spot for him because of that. But from my angle, Kiffin did dick at Tenn.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:56 pm to ohiovol
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Of course not. But he didn't win anything of significance his first year at either LSU or Alabama.
kiffin has failed almost everywhere he has been. Even in the weak pac 10 or 12 or whatever the hell they are...he will come up short....watch...he has not left his last few jobs on good terms.....that says a lot about character.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:57 pm to ohiovol
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Saban, Stoops, Carroll, etc. didn't.
Are you really comparing the 2005 LSU roster to the 2009 Tennessee roster?
No, but there is a similarity. Kiffin took over a HOF coach just like Miles did.
Saban and Carroll didn't. They had absolutely nothing to work with.
This post was edited on 8/7/12 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:57 pm to UTVols2618
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If anything Kiffin should be blamed for not having a good offensive gameplan. I just don't see how its always the players fault when Kiffin was coaching but its the coaches fault when Dooley is coaching?
I don't blame Dooley for his first year. But he embarrassed himself last year.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 2:58 pm to UTVols2618
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No, but there is a similarity. Kiffin took over a HOF coach just like Miles did.
You're smarter than this. Where did that LSU team start in the preseason rankings in 2005?
This post was edited on 8/7/12 at 2:59 pm
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