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re: Kind of feel bad for that Stanford kid
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:29 pm to cajunbama
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:29 pm to cajunbama
Can played against 8 teams ranked 75th or lower against the run. Henry played against 7 teams ranked 50th or higher.........and had 13 or less carries against 3 different teams (didn't pad his stats against weaker competition)
Like what was said about KO returns, 12-15 yards is typically a free run before getting hit. Maybe if he had two or three returns for TD's could I think it was relevant, but just don't see how it adds much value to his Heisman hopes. It's like the QB that throws for 400 yards, and none of them travel farther than10 yards because the WR's make tons of yards after the catch. Don't look at the number, look at the specifics behind it.
Think you could make a case for all three, and maybe one or two who aren't there.......so whoever wins it, good for them.
Like what was said about KO returns, 12-15 yards is typically a free run before getting hit. Maybe if he had two or three returns for TD's could I think it was relevant, but just don't see how it adds much value to his Heisman hopes. It's like the QB that throws for 400 yards, and none of them travel farther than10 yards because the WR's make tons of yards after the catch. Don't look at the number, look at the specifics behind it.
Think you could make a case for all three, and maybe one or two who aren't there.......so whoever wins it, good for them.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Nothing says every down back like 90 carries in 2 games.
But yes, Mac is more versatile. I never said he wasn't, and I never really argued that Henry was. I honestly don't know why we didn't run more screens with him or any of our backs. That hasn't been a big part of the offense with Kiffin.
But yes, Mac is more versatile. I never said he wasn't, and I never really argued that Henry was. I honestly don't know why we didn't run more screens with him or any of our backs. That hasn't been a big part of the offense with Kiffin.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
How do the defenses played mean nothing when it comes to accumulating stats?
McCaffrey got to play Auburn and aTm every week.
So now we know another stat that doesn't matter. Any more you care to enlighten us about?
Doesn't Matter
Touchdowns
Defenses faced
Before you throw it back at me regarding kickoff returns. Once again, my argument isn't that they don't matter, but the value over his replacement is not high to warrant inclusion in the debate.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:30 pm to skirpnasty
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For all I know he could play QB inside the 10.
He's a flanker in the RZ quite a bit. It puts a LB on him, opening up the box a bit.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:31 pm to We_R_The_Tide
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Didn't pad his stats
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90 carries in 2 games.
46 against 91st ranked run defense Auburn.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:32 pm to skirpnasty
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I don't really know enough about their offense
But you know he's an every down back.
Look the kid is great, but he is not a short yardage back. He is small.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:39 pm to skirpnasty
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Fair enough, I misunderstood you. But I'm willing to bet the VOR is a little more than he is being given credit for. It's not like the average kick returned is from the 1. If his average is 29 per return, let's say conservatively that the average kick returned is from the 4, that's a VOR of 8.
If he averages 29 yds a return, based on averages, he should be somewhere around 4-8 yds better per return than his replacement.
My argument isn't against the fact he is a great player this year. It's simply that the kickoff yards value is lessened by 4/5th based on the difference between what McCaffrey gains and what his replacement would gain.
I am also arguing the defenses in the Pac12 are bad enough to warrant their consideration when discussing his stats. You cannot gloss over those defenses. It should be embarrassing to the conference.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:39 pm to skirpnasty
Who would you have given the carries in that game? Bama had to win that to go to the SECCG.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:39 pm to VaBamaMan
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How do the defenses played mean nothing when it comes to accumulating stats?
McCaffrey got to play Auburn and aTm every week.
So now we know another stat that doesn't matter. Any more you care to enlighten us about?
Offensive and defensive stats are relative to the defenses and offenses they face.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:40 pm to cajunbama
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Look the kid is great, but he is not a short yardage back. He is small.
200 lbs?
Why is Henry removed in passing situations?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:41 pm to skirpnasty
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46 against 91st ranked run defense Auburn.
Sad thing is, those weren't for padding. We needed every one to salt that game away. With Drake out we couldn't put anyone else in. Harris is a little girl, could probably be tackled by the wind he goes down so easy., and Scarborough doesn't know the protections.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
He is?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:43 pm to cajunbama
Lost interest after Peyton got screwed..
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why is Henry removed in passing situations?
He isn't removed 90% of the time.
He hasn't been catching because they keep him in to pass block. Our O-line has been atrocious in pass pro.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Is he 200lbs? Doesn't look that big and even if he is, that is small for a short yardage running back.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Offensive and defensive stats are relative to the defenses and offenses they face.
The Pac12 is not as amazing on offense as you seem to think. Michigan shut down Utah for the most part, MSU shut down Oregon, aTm shut down ASU. Those are just a few examples.
It's an easy narrative to go with "Pac12 offenses are awesome, that's why the Defenses suck." Problem is, its not really true. The Pac12 was just plain bad this year.
There are 2 great WRs in the league, JuJu and Spruce. There a few others who are good, but not on their level, talent wise.
There are 3 good QBs, Hogan, Goff, and Kessler. Even though Kessler regressed after Sarkisian got fired and the Offense became more run oriented. Before you mention the others, try watching them play more than once, and then look at their metrics.
RB has definite talent, I will say that. Freeman, Booker, Perkins, McCaffrey, Richard, Davis, Gaskin...etc. That's a pretty good list of RBs.
Matches up well with what the SEC has. Henry, Fournette, Collins, Chubb, Hurd...actually, nah. SEC had better rated run defenses, despite playing better RBs.
The Pac12 was the worst P5 conference this year. I will keep saying it, and backing it up with facts, till everyone understands that.
WASU finished tied for third overall in the conference, but lost at home, to FCS level Portland State. Auburn was the worst team in the west, and while it was close, they managed to beat a better FCS team than Portland St.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:08 am to VaBamaMan
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The Pac12 was the worst P5 conference this year.
SEC. We hears this same bullshite last year and the PAC12 owned bowl season. They finished 2-1 vs Ranked teams. The SEC finished 2-4 vs ranked teams.
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WASU finished tied for third overall in the conference, but lost at home, to FCS level Portland State. Auburn was the worst team in the west, and while it was close, they managed to beat a better FCS team than Portland St
Wazzou improved, they were shitty to start the year.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 12:13 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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SEC
Nope.
Definitely the Pac12. They got destroyed in OOC games, only good wins were Stanford over ND, and Utah beating Michigan. Both were games they could have easily lost.
Best conference = The big ten because if their big 3 this year.
Best P5 Division = SEC West. Only P5 division where every team is .500 or better and bowl eligible.
Big 10
Big 12
ACC/SEC
Pac12.
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Wazzou improved, they were shitty to start the year.
Every team improves unless decimated by injuries. They lost to Portland St, you can't make it disappear. That's still a major black eye.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 12:17 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:14 am to VaBamaMan
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Nope.
Definitely the Pac12
Yeah, we hear this every year and people praise the overrated SEC. This year come bowl season, I imagine it will end about like it did last year.
SEC just got taken to the woodshed by the ACC a couple weeks ago
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 12:16 am
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