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re: ITT we decide once and for all who RBU is
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:19 am to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:19 am to Tuscaloosa
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It's really amazing that we've won 7 National Championships since the last time we had a QB drafted in the first round.
Most people on here weren't alive the last time bama had a QB drafted in the first round. bama has won with D. Not because of the RB's. Not because of the QB's. Still doesn't change the fact that Auburn is one of a rare few school's referred to as "RBU".....and bama isn't and never has been called that.
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:21 am to BowlJackson
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We've been putting up 1000 yard rushers a lot longer then we've been running the zone read
I guess the system is the reason Peyton Barber looked so mediocre this year? Mason is the only RB that has been dominant for us since we've started running this offense.
He's a solid NFL player too, but what he does in the pros is irrelevant to the fact that he was a dominant college player. Some of the most dominant college players of all time didn't translate to the pros. Tebow, Manziel, Vince Young. All time leading rusher Ron Dayne. But you wouldn't argue they weren't dominant in college.
And if you're going to argue that out RBs benefit from our system, then so do Bama's. You also run a run heavy offense and they get the benefit of running behind a future NFL OL. I guess that's why they all flame out in the NFL.
Back in the mid 2000s, Auburn was producing some fantastic, dominant running backs. That, combined with the system in place now is why those 1000 yard rushers are stacked on top of each other. In 2013, Auburn ran the ball 71% of the time.
The rest of your post has some fair points. Except Bama runs a pro-style, balanced offense. And the only one that's flamed out in the NFL was Trent Richardson.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:22 am to MrAUTigers
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Most people on here weren't alive the last time bama had a QB drafted in the first round. bama has won with D. Not because of the RB's. Not because of the QB's.
Which is exactly why this quote:
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I would argue that bama has put more busts at the QB position, in the last 30 years, than any college in the nation
Is pretty silly.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:24 am to Tuscaloosa
Certainly not near as silly as your stance that Tre Mason wasn't a dominant college RB....."but if you take away that one carry on a busted play".
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:26 am to MrAUTigers
Emmitt Smith
Fred Taylor
/thread
Fred Taylor
/thread
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:28 am to MrAUTigers
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Certainly not near as silly as your stance that Tre Mason wasn't a dominant college RB....."but if you take away that one carry on a busted play".
Start a thread and have a poll, I don't care.
He had one season that was statistically impressive, and those numbers have since been replaced in the record books. 10 years from now, nobody outside of Auburn, Alabama will remember who Tre Mason was.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 1:29 am
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:28 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Emmitt Smith
Fred Taylor
/thread
You don't get to /thread after listing 2 players
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:29 am to BloodSweat&Beers
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Emmitt Smith
Fred Taylor
Nah. Those will never be as good as Ingram and Lacy. If they went to Bama it would be a different story.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:30 am to Rabern57
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Nah. Those will never be as good as Ingram and Lacy. If they went to Bama it would be a different story.
Who the hell forgot the shut the door at ITAT on their way out?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:31 am to Tuscaloosa
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In 2013, Auburn ran the ball 71% of the time.
That would be relevant to the great numbers that Mason put up, but he didn't even get 50% of those carries. Nick Marshall, Artis-Payne, and Corey Grant combined for over 2200 yards and 24 TDs on top of Mason's 1800 and 23 TDs. Hell Ricardo Louis, a WR, ran for 200. If anything the amount the team ran as a whole makes Mason's season more impressive because everybody knew what we were going to do.
For reference Derrick Henry this year ran the ball 80 more times than Mason did in 2013 and averaged 5.6 YPC to Mason's 5.7 YPC
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:31 am to Tuscaloosa
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10 years from now, nobody outside of Auburn, Alabama will remember who Tre Mason was.
Except every year when the SECCG is played and they mention that guy who nobody can remember that ran for 304 yards.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:33 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Aw now. Don't get mad because people start mocking how dumb Bama fans sound about players just because they played for them.
Who the hell forgot the shut the door at ITAT on their way out?
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 1:34 am
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:34 am to BowlJackson
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Mason's season more impressive because everybody knew what we were going to do.
Everyone knew you were running the ball, but nobody knew who was running it. That's why nobody was able to key on Mason, and that's why his stats were inflated. Zone read option. Plus, HUNH. Mason had some built in advantages that no other RB at Auburn has had since. That 2013 Auburn offense was incredible to watch.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:35 am to Rabern57
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Aw now. Don't get mad because people start mocking how dumb Bama fans sound about players just because they played for them.
Cool.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:36 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Kind of like the inflated stats of garbage time and busted plays (as you call them) of the Bama RBs.
Everyone knew you were running the ball, but nobody knew who was running it. That's why nobody was able to key on Mason, and that's why his stats were inflated.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:37 am to Rabern57
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Kind of like the inflated stats of garbage time and busted plays (as you call them) of the Bama RBs.
Awesome.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:40 am to Tuscaloosa
So what you are saying.......
when Auburn players are good it is because of the system, but bama players aren't system players?
when Auburn players are good it is because of the system, but bama players aren't system players?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:42 am to Jon Ham
2006:
416 attempts 2113 yards 5.07 ypc
2007:
490 attempts 2151 yards 4.39 ypc
2008:
427 attempts 1728 yards 4.05 ypc
2009:
501 attempts 2879 yards 5.75 ypc
2010:
645 attepmts 4002 yards 6.20 ypc
2011:
507 attempts 2471 yards 4.87 ypc
2012:
374 attempts 1935 yards 5.17 ypc
2013:
717 attempts 4620 yards 6.44 ypc
2014:
602 attempts 3328 yards 5.53 ypc
2015:
578 attempts 2593 yards 4.49 ypc
Overall:
5257 attempts 25,227 yards 4.80 ypc
In 2010 Cam Newton led the SEC in attempts, yards, and TD's while Onterio McCalebb led the SEC in ypc. You can say Cam doesn't count if you want, but he smoked Knile Davis in every category for rushing that season.
In 2013 AU's QB had more rushing yards, higher ypc, and TD's than any RB on Arky's team with fewer carries.
Have had at least 1 1000 yard rusher every season since and including 2009. 2 in 2010 and 2 in 2013. Came within 190 yards for McCalebb (810 yards) of having 3 in 2010.
Have had the SEC Leading Rusher in 3 out of the 10 season window. Arky has only 2. McFadden in 2006 and 2007. Do have to give props to Arky in 2006. McFadden finished first and Jones second.
Had to list this way. Too many people on the team run the ball. Only thing not accounted for in totals are QB's with negative rushing yards on the year (sacks).
416 attempts 2113 yards 5.07 ypc
2007:
490 attempts 2151 yards 4.39 ypc
2008:
427 attempts 1728 yards 4.05 ypc
2009:
501 attempts 2879 yards 5.75 ypc
2010:
645 attepmts 4002 yards 6.20 ypc
2011:
507 attempts 2471 yards 4.87 ypc
2012:
374 attempts 1935 yards 5.17 ypc
2013:
717 attempts 4620 yards 6.44 ypc
2014:
602 attempts 3328 yards 5.53 ypc
2015:
578 attempts 2593 yards 4.49 ypc
Overall:
5257 attempts 25,227 yards 4.80 ypc
In 2010 Cam Newton led the SEC in attempts, yards, and TD's while Onterio McCalebb led the SEC in ypc. You can say Cam doesn't count if you want, but he smoked Knile Davis in every category for rushing that season.
In 2013 AU's QB had more rushing yards, higher ypc, and TD's than any RB on Arky's team with fewer carries.
Have had at least 1 1000 yard rusher every season since and including 2009. 2 in 2010 and 2 in 2013. Came within 190 yards for McCalebb (810 yards) of having 3 in 2010.
Have had the SEC Leading Rusher in 3 out of the 10 season window. Arky has only 2. McFadden in 2006 and 2007. Do have to give props to Arky in 2006. McFadden finished first and Jones second.
Had to list this way. Too many people on the team run the ball. Only thing not accounted for in totals are QB's with negative rushing yards on the year (sacks).
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:44 am to MrAUTigers
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when Auburn players are good it is because of the system, but bama players aren't system players
Sure.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:55 am to Tuscaloosa
So you are saying in a way that Arky gets credit for McFadden and Jones lining up in the Wildcat running the read option, but Auburn doesn't because we had QB's that could run it. If AU's players are 'system' players then those 2 sure as hell were too.
Bama's RB's are system players as well. If they weren't at least one of them might be worth a damn in the NFL. As I stated earlier, Cam and Ingram have been in the league the exact same amount of time yet Cam on fewer carries has more yards, higher ypc, and more TD's than Ingram in the regular season. You throw in playoff games and it gets even uglier for Ingram.
Bama's RB's are system players as well. If they weren't at least one of them might be worth a damn in the NFL. As I stated earlier, Cam and Ingram have been in the league the exact same amount of time yet Cam on fewer carries has more yards, higher ypc, and more TD's than Ingram in the regular season. You throw in playoff games and it gets even uglier for Ingram.
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