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Posted on 1/8/16 at 7:51 pm to AU24
He's better than Malzahn
Posted on 1/8/16 at 7:53 pm to RollTide1987
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He took the best team in the SEC into OT that season and the eventual national champion down to the wire.
Moral victory? He lost both.
Kentucky and Arkansas beat that "eventual national champion" and UGA, who I assume is your "best team in the SEC" lost to Tennessee and South Carolina so fat boner that alabama played them close.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 7:56 pm to RandySavage
Are you dense? He was responding to the notion that Saban failed his first year at Alabama, when in fact we were on the cusp of being really good (as evidenced by two following undefeated regular seasons). Being a troll is no excuse for being stupid.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 8:00 pm to Decker
He was responding to the the notion that when talent is equal Saban is average to slightly above. Which 2007, along with many other instances, proves.
But hey, at least you think you're smart.
But hey, at least you think you're smart.
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Posted on 1/8/16 at 8:11 pm to AU24
Is even even a great recruiter? A Waffle House manager turned college coach could reel in top talent every year with the REC in his back pocket.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 8:11 pm to AU24
You're a sad little tiger.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:00 pm to AU24
Alabama has deep pockets to pay recruits.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:10 pm to RandySavage
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He was responding to the the notion that when talent is equal Saban is average to slightly above.
No, I wasn't. And besides, talent wasn't equal in '07. Not a single player was drafted off of that team that spring. Not one.
Of all the coaches that have won championships since the inception of the AP writers poll, can you name me one that didn't do it with superior talent? I'm pretty sure as good as Bryant was at getting the most out of his players, he still had a good number that went on to become College and Pro Football Hall of Famers.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:18 pm to RandySavage
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He took the best team in the SEC into OT that season and the eventual national champion down to the wire.
Moral victory? He lost both.
Kentucky and Arkansas beat that "eventual national champion" and UGA, who I assume is your "best team in the SEC" lost to Tennessee and South Carolina so fat boner that alabama played them close.
what explains 2008? ... 3 previous recruiting years averaged about 14ish ... team went undefeated in the reg season and played lsu and uf to a standstill ... jj was the only freshman that had sig pt ... had john parker wilson and glen coffee at the skill positions ...
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:18 pm to RollTide1987
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No, I wasn't.
Not sure if it was your post or not but that' exactly what the response was to.
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And besides, talent wasn't equal in '07.
So in your mind in a schedule that included Western Carolina, Vanderbilt, LA-Monroe, Mississippi State, Colorado, Houston, Ed Orgeron Ole Miss, and Arkansas that Alabama didn't have more talent than all of those teams maybe with the exception of Arkansas?
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Of all the coaches that have won championships since the inception of the AP writers poll, can you name me one that didn't do it with superior talent?
Gene Chizik
In all seriousness, of course every team that wins has talent but the talent levels that bama has accumulated in saban's tenure is unlike anything ever seen since people actually followed recruiting. The gap between them and the second most talented team is significant. Has any team every even pulled off 2, maybe 3, #1 classes in a row before bama and the like 6 in a row they have going right now?
Saban is the master at what he does, he does it better than anyone ever but he's not a "he will beat your players with his players and then beat his players with your players" kind of coach or however that quote goes. Wasn't it Bryant that was said about?
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:19 pm to TrueReb13
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Does a fat baby sh!t?
I'm no doctor, but I think all babies shite
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:23 pm to RandySavage
rivals rankings are based in part on the number of players, not just the skill of each one ...
saban's x/o ability with defense is significant (that shouldn't even be in question), as is his overall offensive philosophy - balance that includes a physical run game ... that was evident from the first year, without superior players ... no, he's not the best offensive x/o guy on gameday, but he doesn't have to be ... that still counts towards his greatness ...
saban's x/o ability with defense is significant (that shouldn't even be in question), as is his overall offensive philosophy - balance that includes a physical run game ... that was evident from the first year, without superior players ... no, he's not the best offensive x/o guy on gameday, but he doesn't have to be ... that still counts towards his greatness ...
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:24 pm to tiderider
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what explains 2008? ... 3 previous recruiting years averaged about 14ish ... team went undefeated in the reg season and played lsu and uf to a standstill ... jj was the only freshman that had sig pt ... had john parker wilson and glen coffee at the skill positions ...
Won a couple of close games, SEC West was down (AU and LSU both had their worst season all decade), drew UK and UT from the East, 9 returning starters on offense. Senior QB. Added Terrance Cody and Hightower to the defense.
JPW was as good as McElroy, Sims, or Coker. Saban obviously doesn't need a QB
Glen Coffee was drafted in the third round and was running behind a line with 4 upperclassmen.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:29 pm to RandySavage
lol ... 'upperclassman' doesn't mean 'talent' ...
and he doesn't need a good qb, but he can't coach ...
and everybody was down ...
and he doesn't need a good qb, but he can't coach ...
and everybody was down ...
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:33 pm to deputyreb
quote:Four others. Wallace Wade, Frank Thomas, Paul Bryant, Gene Stallings
Three others have won National Titles at Bama
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:33 pm to RandySavage
90% of the game is talent. Only 10% of it is coaching.
If you don't have the talent you don't win. Bryant had talent at Maryland, Kentucky, Texas A&M and Alabama. Yes, he was a master motivator, but he also had some All-American caliber players/leaders who helped those players with inferior talent step up their game at crunch time.
And as to your question about '07 Alabama and its schedule, I'd put it like this:
Western Carolina - Inferior talent
Vanderbilt - Inferior talent
Arkansas - Superior talent
Georgia - Superior talent
Florida State - Superior talent
Houston - Inferior talent
Ole Miss - Equal talent
Tennessee - Superior talent
LSU - Superior talent
Mississippi State - Equal talent
UL-Monroe - Inferior talent
Auburn - Superior talent
Colorado - Equal talent
If you don't have the talent you don't win. Bryant had talent at Maryland, Kentucky, Texas A&M and Alabama. Yes, he was a master motivator, but he also had some All-American caliber players/leaders who helped those players with inferior talent step up their game at crunch time.
And as to your question about '07 Alabama and its schedule, I'd put it like this:
Western Carolina - Inferior talent
Vanderbilt - Inferior talent
Arkansas - Superior talent
Georgia - Superior talent
Florida State - Superior talent
Houston - Inferior talent
Ole Miss - Equal talent
Tennessee - Superior talent
LSU - Superior talent
Mississippi State - Equal talent
UL-Monroe - Inferior talent
Auburn - Superior talent
Colorado - Equal talent
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:34 pm to RandySavage
2008 Alabama was also the second youngest team in the FBS that season. We had a mere 9 seniors on scholarship.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:35 pm to tiderider
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lol ... 'upperclassman' doesn't mean 'talent' ...
Andre Smith was a first round NFL pick, Antonie Caldwell and Mike Johnson were both drafted in the third round but yea no talent on that OLine.
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and everybody was down ...
Auburn was 5-7, LSU was 8-5. Both had their worst seasons of the decade. Arkansas was 5-7, Miss St. was 4-8. Ole Miss was the second best team in the West and they lost to Vandy and Wake Forest.
Facts, they aren't your friend here.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:39 pm to RollTide1987
No way you had equal talent to Miss State or Colorado. But again, your record was pretty much completely in proportion with your talent level with other teams which is what you would expect from an average X's and O's coach.
It doesn't matter though, he's so good at what he does he'll never have to worry about playing on a level playing field as long as he stays in college.
It doesn't matter though, he's so good at what he does he'll never have to worry about playing on a level playing field as long as he stays in college.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 9:40 pm
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