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re: Is LSU willing to sacrifice it’s status as “best value athletic department?”
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:13 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:13 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Who suggested LSU was ok with it?
LSU is the only preeminent college football team in the state with the highest concentration of nfl talent. It makes no sense to not succeed. But LSU should not act in desperation, because we don’t need to. LSU has won and was damn close to winning again with les miles. Who just got hired by Kansas (the basketball school). LSU won in spite of miles, not because of him. Imagine what will happen when LSU gets a legitimate coach.
LSU is the only preeminent college football team in the state with the highest concentration of nfl talent. It makes no sense to not succeed. But LSU should not act in desperation, because we don’t need to. LSU has won and was damn close to winning again with les miles. Who just got hired by Kansas (the basketball school). LSU won in spite of miles, not because of him. Imagine what will happen when LSU gets a legitimate coach.
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:14 pm to ThePoo
It’s a risk/reward thing. You need to spend big money to get top coaches but it’s not a guarantee to work out. Obviously if it does it’s not a shitty contract. My bad I worded it poorly
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:17 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Are you willing to possibly get saddled with some shitty contracts to win more than you currently are
What sincerely makes you think LSU has to offer those contracts like A&M had to? Seems like LSU has done historically and significantly better than A&M athletics without needing contracts of that magnitude. Why does that change now?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:20 pm to yatesdog38
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Weakest credit rating of SEC universities*
Well then I suppose it's a good thing the University isn't paying coaching salaries at LSU.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:20 pm to ibldprplgld
So you expect Woodward to be able to attract and retain top coaches without having to pay top dollar for them?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:20 pm to ibldprplgld
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Seems like LSU has done historically and significantly better than A&M athletics without needing contracts of that magnitude. Why does that change now?
When did A&M turn into the standard? What happened to trying to be the next Bama?
If yall are happy to be at our level obviously that can be done on the cheap, at least for now.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:23 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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So you expect Woodward to be able to attract and retain top coaches without having to pay top dollar for them?
We'll pay fair market value for them. What I don't want to see happen is TAF throw S Class money at an Acura like was done for Jimbo at A&M.
And there's nothing in LSU's history to suggest we have to overpay to win championships.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:24 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Is LSU willing to sacrifice it’s status as “best value athletic department?”
LSU is the Equate brand of the SEC.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:25 pm to cardboardboxer
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When did A&M turn into the standard? What happened to trying to be the next Bama?
If yall are happy to be at our level obviously that can be done on the cheap, at least for now.
Why on Earth would LSU or an LSU fan benchmark our success against A&M?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:30 pm to cardboardboxer
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When did A&M turn into the standard?
Are you drunk? That makes no sense.
Why would LSU use A&M as any sort of winning model?
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:39 pm to ibldprplgld
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We'll pay fair market value for them.
This is the mentality I’m trying to understand. Paying fair market value for a coach seems to be a priority for the LSU fan base and the admin as well instead of getting the best coach you can possibly get.
What if Calipari bolts for the NBA next year and Kentucky sets its sights on Will Wade. Are you willing to get crazy with an extension to keep him even if he tops out in the Sweet 16 again? Or will you let him walk because said extension might not be “fair market value” for a coach with such a short track record.
Are you willing to make, say, James Franklin a top 3 paid head coach in college football to entice him to LSU even if the accomplishments don’t necessarily warrant it? Or are you going to settle for the mid major coach du jour because it’s more in line with “fair market value”?
You can think great coaches will fall into your lap at a reasonable price but it rarely happens, and if it does you will need to spend handsomely to keep them very soon after.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:44 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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You can think great coaches will fall into your lap at a reasonable price but it rarely happens, and if it does you will need to spend handsomely to keep them very soon after.
True. But some have to spend more handsomely than others. A&M being one of them.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:47 pm to KennesawTiger
I never understood why fans care about how much is spent on coaches. Who cares? Get the best coach possible.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:48 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Paying fair market price doesn't mean you can't lure great coaches or achieve success, and it doesn't mean low-balling or going cheap. Sometimes paying fair market value is paying a premium, sometimes it's not.
You're presumption seems to be that an athletic department must overpay to get a great coach and that if you're not throwing boat loads of money around you aren't committed to getting the best. That simply isn't true. LSU has never offered a coach a contract the magnitude of the one that Jimbo got, so I ask again: given LSU's clear athletic success historically, why should that change now?
You're presumption seems to be that an athletic department must overpay to get a great coach and that if you're not throwing boat loads of money around you aren't committed to getting the best. That simply isn't true. LSU has never offered a coach a contract the magnitude of the one that Jimbo got, so I ask again: given LSU's clear athletic success historically, why should that change now?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:48 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
This is what you’ve come up with? Lmao
Posted on 4/22/19 at 2:56 pm to ibldprplgld
I think if your priority is paying fair market value instead of getting the best coach you possibly can, your results are going to be good but not great.
As a fan I want to land the best coach possible even if the general public thinks we overpaid. I can’t understand how anyone would feel different.
As a fan I want to land the best coach possible even if the general public thinks we overpaid. I can’t understand how anyone would feel different.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 3:03 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I think if your priority is paying fair market value instead of getting the best coach you possibly can, your results are going to be good but not great.
Where has it been said that LSU's priority is paying fair market value above all else? We have great coaches across the board and for the most part we happen to pay them their fair market value.
It's been a national and SEC championship winning formula for LSU across many sports and for many decades.
You still haven't answered my question as to why we need to needlessly start overpaying for coaches.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 3:07 pm to ibldprplgld
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We have great coaches across the board and for the most part we happen to pay them their fair market value.
Sounds like you have an ideal set up. Why change ADs if you have great coaches across the board with all being paid reasonably?
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You still haven't answered my question as to why we need to needlessly start overpaying for coaches.
I was under the assumption your fans were not happy with the current performance in your athletic department, thus the change in AD with the likelihood other changes will be on the horizon.
If you feel all your coaches are doing a great job I am curious as to why your fans felt so strongly about making a change in leadership
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 4/22/19 at 3:10 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Sounds like you have an ideal set up. Why change ADs if you have great coaches across the board with all being paid reasonably?
Bc he's mishandled several important matters, and he was never a good fit at LSU.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 3:15 pm to VermilionTiger
Vermillion Tiger I wouldn’t write Orgeron off as a future SEC Championship winning coach. I think LSU is talented enough to win a conference title with Coach O and I’m surprised so many LSU fans don’t think that’s possible.
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