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re: i'm surprised SC doesn't think the penalty on the nussmeier hit wasn't a penalty
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:25 pm to UltimaParadox
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:25 pm to UltimaParadox
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Nuss throws interception and is running towards the play. Gets shoved and sells the hit like he was blindsided. Since he is a QB it gets the call. If it was anyone but the QB absolutely a no call
This is how I saw it too. bullshite call.
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:25 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Please tell me how THAT CONTACT, if not a blindside was "unnecessary roughness"?
Because there’s no way that Nuss would have been able to get to the ball carrier? The end decided to hit him because he thought he had a free shot at the QB.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:25 pm to Lonnie Utah
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(Rule 2-27-14) Defenseless player: When in question, a player is defenseless
Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:
• A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass This includes an offensive player in a passing posture with focus downfield
• A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball carrier
• A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return
• A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect themselves or has not clearly become a ball
• A player on the ground
• A player obviously out of the play
• A player who receives a blind-side block
• A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession
• A ball carrier who has obviously given themselves up and is sliding feetfirst
So if those conditions only apply to Targeting, and targeting was not called, could it have been roughing the passer? Let's see:
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Roughing the Passer ARTICLE 9 a No defensive player shall unnecessarily rough a passer, when it is obvious the ball has been thrown
The following actions are illegal, but not limited to:
1 Targeting fouls as noted in Rules 9-1-3 and 9-1-4
2 Forcible contact to the head or neck area that does not meet the requirements of Rule 9-1-4
3 Forcible contact that is avoidable after it is obvious the ball has left the passer’s hand
(Exception: A defensive player who is blocked by a Team A player[s] with a force so that they have no opportunity to avoid contact with the passer However, this does not relieve the defensive player of responsibility for personal fouls as described in elsewhere in this section)
4 Forcibly driving the passer to the ground and landing on the passer with action that punishes the player
5 Any action that is a personal foul as described elsewhere in this section b When an offensive player is in a passing posture with one or both feet on the ground, no defensive player rushing unabated shall hit the player forcibly at the knee area or below The defensive player also may not initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit this opponent in the knee area or below
( Exceptions: (1) It is not a foul if the offensive player is a runner not in a passing posture, either inside or outside the tackle box
(2) It is not a foul if the defender grabs or wraps this opponent in an attempt to make a conventional tackle without making forcible contact with the head or shoulder
(3) It is not a foul if the defender is not rushing unabated or is blocked or fouled into this opponent
For paragraphs a and b, the penalty is added to the end of the last run when it ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of team possession during the down (A R 9-1-9-II-III)
Ironically (or not), the hit on Sellers head that caused him to throw the Int, meets all of the requirements of both of these rules. Of course it was not called The Interception should have come back and been SC's ball with #4 ejected.
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There is obvious "Forcible contact to the head or neck area"
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:27 pm to Flavius C Julianus
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No it doesn’t. It also applies to a blind-side block (you even quote it). It also applies to illegal contact against a QB.
But the call wasn't blindside block.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:27 pm to lastfan
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Because there’s no way that Nuss would have been able to get to the ball carrier? The end decided to hit him because he thought he had a free shot at the QB.
he wasn't "hit".
He was shoved.
And contact initiated with the hands (aka...a shove) is not "forcible contact" by rule according to the NCAA.
Which means it's NOT eligible to be called as a blindside hit or unneccessary roughness.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:28 pm to lastfan
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Because there’s no way that Nuss would have been able to get to the ball carrier?
We don't know that. It's speculation. Therefore you can't say that he was "Out of the play" as the rule specifies.
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:28 pm to BFANLC
So you think you can just tackle anyone who’s not looking? Is that your position here?
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:29 pm to DawginSC
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And contact initiated with the hands (aka...a shove) is not "forcible contact" by rule according to the NCAA.
Again, cite this rule.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:30 pm to DawginSC
Okay, so Nuss wasn’t anywhere near the play, why shove him? It’s because he thought he could get away with it. There was no reason to shove Nuss at that point.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:30 pm to Lonnie Utah
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But the call wasn't blindside block.
I don’t say that it was. You claimed that the defenseless opponent standard only applies to targeting. It doesn’t.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:30 pm to Top of the Rock
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It was an Oscar worthy flop and kept you from getting your asses beat.
I think the leaping over players to block a punter was a better NO CALL than the Nuss flop.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:31 pm to Flavius C Julianus
That's what I thought, thanks for playing.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:31 pm to lastfan
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There was no reason to shove Nuss at that point.
Except for the fact he started moving towards the SC ball carrier. Blocks on the opposite side of the field happen every play.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:32 pm to Lonnie Utah
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We don't know that. It's speculation. Therefore you can't say that he was "Out of the play" as the rule specifies.
Have you seen Nuss run?
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:33 pm to BFANLC
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That's what I thought, thanks for playing.
Read Article 12.b. for starters. You’re just talking out of your arse.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:34 pm to lastfan
Regardless how you see this hit/shove/whatever you want to call it, there was absolutely no reason for the end to do it. Be angry with him for taking the cheap shot.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:37 pm to Flavius C Julianus
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So you think you can just tackle anyone who’s not looking? Is that your position here?
You can block them by shoving them in the chest or shoulder if your team has the ball... regardless of if they're looking or not.
This is why a blindside hit requires "forcible contact" according to the NCAA rules. And any contact initiated with the hands (a shove) is by NCAA rule NOT forcible contact.
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:39 pm to Flavius C Julianus
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I don’t say that it was. You claimed that the defenseless opponent standard only applies to targeting. It doesn’t.
Here is the entire blindsided block rule. Nowhere is "defenseless" mentioned.
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Blind-Side Block ARTICLE 18 No player shall deliver a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact
(Exceptions: (1) the runner;
(2) a receiver in the act of attempting to make a catch )
(Note: In addition, if this action meets all the elements of targeting, it is a blind-slide block with targeting (Rule 9-1-3 and 9-1-4).
The only time that applies is if targeting ALSO applies.
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:39 pm to Flavius C Julianus
Lmao
Posted on 9/15/24 at 2:41 pm to DawginSC
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This is why a blindside hit requires "forcible contact" according to the NCAA rules. And any contact initiated with the hands (a shove) is by NCAA rule NOT forcible contact.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you for a third time to cite this rule.
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