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Posted on 1/27/25 at 7:58 pm to RollTide4547
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However, if we look at total accomplishments (wins vs losses) Deboer has been more successful as a coach.
So the only metric for total accomplishments you're using is win vs losses?? Seems like you're not looking at everything.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:02 pm to SouthernInsanity
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Seems like you're not looking at everything.
In football, what else is there besides winning?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:14 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The coaches at both Tennessee and Ole Miss have been at their schools much longer
Really? So that matters? Just like this was Deboers first year with new offensive and defensive systems and new players. Imagine that...
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:20 pm to RollTide4547
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In football, what else is there besides winning?
Then I wouldn't talk much about your HC. Sure, his winning percentage is slightly higher than ours... but hey, they have the same number of nattys. Of course BK has more various conference titles since becoming a HC in '91.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:37 pm to RollTide4547
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Bama played lots of freshmen and sophomores this year, however Deboer is criticized (by people here) for not performing well enough. why does that only apply to Deboer? Did Auburn have freshmen and sophomores that started? If so, a great recruiter would have better players on the field than Harsin. Yet the outcome was the same.
Auburn doesn't have the most talent in the country, Bama does.
Auburn was a rebuild, Bama wasn't.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:52 pm to RollTide4547
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If he is recruiting much better, he had a much team this year yet the outcome was the same as Harsin.
You are an idiot
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:39 pm to JackTiger99
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Freeze just getting started
to become the next Harsin. Thank goodness Auburn hired Freeze. Good Luck this coming season. Just not against Mizzou.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:34 am to SouthernInsanity
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Then I wouldn't talk much about your HC. Sure, his winning percentage is slightly higher than ours... but hey, they have the same number of nattys. Of course BK has more various conference titles since becoming a HC in '91.
Why wouldn't I talk about Bama's head coach? In his 26 seasons as a collegiate head coach, Nick Saban (also known as the GOAT) compiled a 274-67-1 (. 803) record, including a 183-25 (. 880) mark in Tuscaloosa. Kalen DeBoer, the current head football coach at Alabama, has a career winning percentage of 113-16 (. 875) and 9-4 (.692) in Tuscaloosa. Brian Kelly has a winning percentage of 292–107–2 (.731). Deboers winning percentage is .144 better. Thats considerably more than "slightly better". That is almost 20% better (19.7% to be exact).
Kelly became a head coach in 1991, while Deboer was still in high school (Deboer was born in 1974). Deboer was head coach in 2005 -2009 at Sioux Falls and has been a head coach again from 2020 - 2024. That is 10 years as a head coach. Kelly has been a head coach since 1991 (35 years) and that is 25 years longer than Deboer has been a head coach. It stands to reason that Kelly should have more conference titles. Again, we have to compare apples to apples.
From 2005 thru 2009 he coached at Sioux Falls. During that time he went 63-7 (70 games and 49-1 in conference) with 5 trips to the NAIA finals, 4 trips to the championship game and 3 championship wins.
From 1991 thru 2003 Kelly coached at Grand Valley State. He went 118-35-2 (155 games). Six trips to the playoffs and 2 Championships.
In the 21 years since Kelly left Grand Valley State, he has been to 18 bowl games (2 of which were vacated) and won 10 (1 being vacated). Essentially he's been to a bowl game 18 of 21 years and won 10 of 21 years. An lost in the NC.
After leaving Sioux Falls, Deboer did not become a head coach again until 2020. In those 5 years he has been to a bowl game 5 times (2 games in the 2023 playoffs), winning 3 and losing in the NC.
Same number of "nattys" - Stands to reason that Kelly should have more "nattys" since he has coached in division 1 since 2010 and Deboer has coached there since 2020. Kelly has 3 times the number of years in the Division (15) as Deboer (5).
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:01 am to JackTiger99
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You are an idio
If he is recruiting better, that leads to better recruits, better recruits leads to better players and better players should lead to better results. Yet the results were at best the same this year.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:07 am to SidewalkTiger
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Auburn doesn't have the most talent in the country, Bama does.
Now Milroe is one of the most talented? People on here (likely you as well) have been continuously saying Milroe sucked. Now you want to say that Bama has the best players. Can't be both.
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Auburn was a rebuild, Bama wasn't.
Kinda was with the coaching staff. If coaching staff is not important, why does Auburn keep firing coaches and paying them to not coach? Malzahn had a better winning percentage at Auburn than Auburn has overall and you FIRED HIM.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:07 am to RollTide4547
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Now Milroe is one of the most talented? People on here (likely you as well) have been continuously saying Milroe sucked. Now you want to say that Bama has the best players. Can't be both.
Yes, Bama had an 88% blue chip ratio.
Is losing 4 games with an 88% blue chip ratio really that different than losing 7 with a 53%?
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Kinda was with the coaching staff. If coaching staff is not important, why does Auburn keep firing coaches and paying them to not coach? Malzahn had a better winning percentage at Auburn than Auburn has overall and you FIRED HIM.
I didn't fire anyone, I'm an LSU fan.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:27 am to SidewalkTiger
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I didn't fire anyone, I'm an LSU fan
I stand corrected on that. My apologies
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Is losing 4 games with an 88% blue chip ratio really that different than losing 7 with a 53%?
In the first year, with complete new coaching staff, new scheme and new terminology. Plus you add in that coaches have to coddle players today or those plays get their feelings hurt and run to the portal. I would say yes it is different. Same outcome next year and I would agree with you.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:42 am to RollTide4547
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In the first year, with complete new coaching staff, new scheme and new terminology. Plus you add in that coaches have to coddle players today or those plays get their feelings hurt and run to the portal. I would say yes it is different. Same outcome next year and I would agree with you
All of that applies to Freeze too, no?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:45 am to SidewalkTiger
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All of that applies to Freeze too, no?
Is freeze in his first year? If he is, then it all applies. If not, the part about new coaching staff, scheme and terminology doesn't apply. The players have had 2 years to understand scheme and terminology. The part about coddling players would apply to all coaches and programs.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:00 am to RollTide4547
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Is freeze in his first year? If he is, then it all applies. If not, the part about new coaching staff, scheme and terminology doesn't apply. The players have had 2 years to understand scheme and terminology.
He had first year coordinators on both sides of the ball
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:03 am to SidewalkTiger
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He had first year coordinators on both sides of the ball
Wasn't aware of that. Doesn't seem like that would help. Maybe his situation is closer to Deboer's than I thought. Still hate the barn though. Ha ha.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:40 am to SidewalkTiger
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Auburn doesn't have the most talent in the country, Bama does.
Auburn was a rebuild, Bama wasn't.
Not according to that link you posted. Auburn was on par, talent wise, with Tennessee and Ole Miss. You can't have it both ways. According to that link your talent was waaay better than the record. It wasn't Freeze's first year, like DeBoers with an entirely new philosophy, offensive and defensive overhaul, etc. I'd walked back how much stock you're putting into that "talent chart" or you're basically condemning your boy Freeze as well.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:43 am to RollTide4547
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Harsin's wife is exceptionally hot
Posted on 1/28/25 at 11:45 am to NWLA_Bama
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Not according to that link you posted. Auburn was on par, talent wise, with Tennessee and Ole Miss.
This has been discussed already, Heupel was in year 4, Kiffin was in year 5, Freeze is in year 2.
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It wasn't Freeze's first year, like DeBoers with an entirely new philosophy, offensive and defensive overhaul, etc.
He had new coordinators on both sides of the ball.
Do you even follow CFB?
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