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re: If UGA is able to reach its full potential under Kirby Smart....
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:57 pm to Jake_LaMotta
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:57 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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stop. The 2017 SEC East was a putrid embarrassment. Literally the worst division in Power 5 by all respected analytic measures.
No one said the 2017 east was not awful.
What you need to prove is that the east was badass in 2002 when uga was the only ranked team in the east just like it was in 2017. Good luck.
You also need to prove that saban, the NFL, and the recruiting sites are idiots as you claim.
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Posted on 2/13/18 at 6:20 pm to djsdawg
The 2002 SEC East wasn't that bad but it wasn't that great. It was pretty much meh.
The 2017 SEC East was the worst iteration of the East we had seen since the very quick 2012-2013 stretch that had a number of very good teams and Vanderbilt actually being decent. I won't say it was worse than 2010 as it sure as hell wasn't. A lot of short memories for the pickings on here...
The 2017 SEC East was the worst iteration of the East we had seen since the very quick 2012-2013 stretch that had a number of very good teams and Vanderbilt actually being decent. I won't say it was worse than 2010 as it sure as hell wasn't. A lot of short memories for the pickings on here...
Posted on 2/13/18 at 6:38 pm to SECFan1995
Doing some browsing, and going straight off of memory...the 2017 SEC East doesn't really look that much worse than 2002 did...
Until you look at SRS in comparison. Only Georgia and South Carolina compare reasonably favorably. Everyone else is trash in comparison, all with SRS's below 5. Kentucky and Missouri were mirages, and all three of Florida, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt were very bad.
For bonus coverage, let's look at 2010. I like using SRS for my opinion on the strength of team, and in my opinion a team that is good has an SRS around 15 at least....
...and none of the SEC East had an SRS of around 15 or better that year.
The 2017 SEC East was not good.
But it does not beat 2010. It's going to be hard as hell for that to ever be beaten.
Until you look at SRS in comparison. Only Georgia and South Carolina compare reasonably favorably. Everyone else is trash in comparison, all with SRS's below 5. Kentucky and Missouri were mirages, and all three of Florida, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt were very bad.
For bonus coverage, let's look at 2010. I like using SRS for my opinion on the strength of team, and in my opinion a team that is good has an SRS around 15 at least....
...and none of the SEC East had an SRS of around 15 or better that year.
The 2017 SEC East was not good.
But it does not beat 2010. It's going to be hard as hell for that to ever be beaten.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 7:54 pm to SECFan1995
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The 2002 SEC East wasn't that bad but it wasn't that great. It was pretty much meh.
Yep, but when discussing SOS, all that truly matters is overall analysis, which shows the 2017 schedule was tougher than the 2002 one. Jake is avoiding this point like the plague.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:18 pm to SECFan1995
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Until you look at SRS in comparison. Only Georgia and South Carolina compare reasonably favorably. Everyone else is trash in comparison, all with SRS's below 5. Kentucky and Missouri were mirages, and all three of Florida, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt were very bad.
The differential on 2002 SRS though if you eliminate the specific teams is essentially this:
The top team was better in 2017 than 2002 (which only further supports the argument that LaMotta is incorrect here)
Instead of 3 teams rated between 4-9, you have 2
One team rated just under 1 in both
And instead of one team rated WELL below 0 (-7), you have 2 that are slightly below at just over -2 and -3 respectively...
Even using SRS, you have a "marginally better" East in 2002, which is what most of us have said... 2002 wasn't significantly better than 2017.
Let's compare that to the West over the same seasons, where the top 2 teams in 2017 both grade out better than the best team in 2002, and teams 3 & 4 in 2017 average out higher than teams 2 & 3 in 2002.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:20 pm to djsdawg
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Yep, but when discussing SOS, all that truly matters is overall analysis, which shows the 2017 schedule was tougher than the 2002 one. Jake is avoiding this point like the plague.
But muh East is trash argument... how can I make that when I have to account for the whole season...
Posted on 2/14/18 at 5:42 pm to djsdawg
That's changing the subject. But that worst Bama team was much better than us roster wise if your recruiting classes were ranked where they should have been. This year's recruiting class added to UGA makes us almost even on talent. That shouldn't show up next year as this class are babies for the most part. But 2019 and 2020 we'll be even if not more talented. And this wasn't your worst team in years. I think your last two overall were very strong. How long has it been since a team got to the national chanpionship twice with a QB that couldn't accurately throw the football downfield? Speaks volumes for how talented you were at other positions.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:13 pm to koreandawg
Eh, because of injuries and other bullshite last year's Alabama team was nowhere near 2016. It was much closer to 2012.
The scary thing is in the coming years, Alabama may have a 2016 defense with a killer offense and even with the offensive issues that 2016 had at times, they looked absolutely cold blooded KILLER at times.
I can say pretty confidently, that 2019 Georgia could be Georgia's best team ever, but what's going to be in the way of them, is an Alabama that could have a 2016 caliber defense with a killer offense.
Good fricking luck beating that. Just like last time, Georgia's chance at a legitimately vulnerable Alabama got thrown in the trash.
The scary thing is in the coming years, Alabama may have a 2016 defense with a killer offense and even with the offensive issues that 2016 had at times, they looked absolutely cold blooded KILLER at times.
I can say pretty confidently, that 2019 Georgia could be Georgia's best team ever, but what's going to be in the way of them, is an Alabama that could have a 2016 caliber defense with a killer offense.
Good fricking luck beating that. Just like last time, Georgia's chance at a legitimately vulnerable Alabama got thrown in the trash.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:49 pm to SECFan1995
Hopefully UGA becomes less vulnerable as we close the talent gap on Bama.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:05 pm to koreandawg
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And this wasn't your worst team in years.
Correct. You don't win #1 in recruiting every year and say this wasn't your best team. But, with the losses we sustained during the season in the secondary and in the game at left tackle UGA played a much weaker team than our average over the last few years. Unless we lose 4 LBs, 2 safeties, and more OLs we should be back to peak form on defense and have our best offense in the Saban era.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:12 pm to SECFan1995
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the 2017 SEC East doesn't really look that much worse than 2002 did...
I'm damn sure not reading 15 pages so I don't know what the topic has devolved to or what we're even talking about right now. With that said, even if the east is somewhat comparable, the way we laid waste to it is night and day.
We beat our 2 biggest east rivals 83-7 this year. We demolished VU, UK, and MU. We won by 2 TDs over SC. None of that happens with Richt IMO. NOt to mention this year's MSU is likely equal or better to 02 bama and 17 AU is equal to 02 AU. In my drunken estimation by memory:
02 UF > 17 UF
02 UT > 17 UT
17 SC > 02 SC
17 UK = 02 UK
17 VU > 02 VU
didn't have missouri at the time
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:05 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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How did Coach Saban win a NC with a bunch of 3* players
The following were 4 of 5 star starters on the 2009 team:
Julio Jones
Mark Barron
Rolando McClain
Mike Johnson
Mark Ingram
Lorenzo Washington
James Carpenter
Marquis Johnson
Kareem Jackson
Robby Green
Justin Woodall
Its safe to assume you cant count, so I will point out that these are 11 starters. Every other Bama team likely has had an even higher number of 4 and 5 star starters. Point is, each bama team from 2009 forward proves your stupid ideas about recruiting wrong.
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