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re: If Christian McCaffrey doesn't win the Heisman, then we need to..
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:38 pm to Patton
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:38 pm to Patton
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no it isn't. It's a convenient tool to use in your justification of a player putting up worse stats in all but one category being better. Also, Henry played much better on big games against good opponents then LF did. LF feasted on shite teams in the beginning of yalls schedule
RB A:
1,000 total yards. 155 carries. 12 TDs.
RB B:
1,250 total yards. 213 carries. 16 TDs.
Which is more impressive? Let's say for experiments sake.. they played the same teams.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 12:40 pm
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:42 pm to Grovewater
Wanna know why Steve McNair didn't win the Heisman in 95?
Because he played D1-AA.
SEC >> Pac12 any day of the week.
Because he played D1-AA.
SEC >> Pac12 any day of the week.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:56 pm to cajunbama
Telling people to kill themselves over disagreeing with you? You da man
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:03 pm to Sneaky__Sally
I'm not arguing that he should or shouldn't win it or even whether he deserves it or not. Just pointing out that some Bama fans' notion that Henry is so much better than Fournette is just flat out false. If Henry had to run up against anything even remotely close to Bamas d-line, along with playing 2 fewer games, he wouldn't be headed to New York either.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:18 pm to CheniereTiger108
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If Henry had to run up against anything even remotely close to Bamas d-line
So, what did they do against common opponents????
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:43 pm to bmy
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Cook were on the bench instead of padding his stats against beaten competition
All numbers are subject to interpretation.
I could counter with this stat:
On third and short, Cook had 7 carries for 1 yard. His coaches realized he was worthless when they needed those couple of yards.
In contrast, Henry ran it 22 times for 51 yards. Teams stacked the line against him, and he still got the first down over half the time and was head and shoulders better than Cook. Third and medium, Henry truly shone - 9 attempts leading to 7 first downs.
LF also managed to get a first down about half the time on third and short, with a bit better YPC; however, LSU only gave it to him 4 times at 3rd and mid, for 2 first downs.
Henry was the better third down back.
VS FBS teams with a winning record, LF averaged 125 YPG and 4.9 YPC.
Henry? 159 YPG and 5.9 YPC.
Cook's most egregious sin? Being shutdown by a BAD Tech team, and that led to their loss. Henry wasn't shutdown in Bama's loss; Cook was (Tech). LF was (Bama).
That, and Alabama faced 10 teams with winning records to FSU's 6.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:47 pm to BamaGradinTn
Auburn:
LF 19-228 12.0 1-9 rec 237 total
DH 46-271 5.9 271 total
Miss State:
LF 28-159 5.7 159 total
DH 22-204 9.3 204 total
Ole Miss:
LF 25-108 4.3 4-72 rec 180 total
DH 23-127 5.5 5-39 rec 166 total
Arkansas:
LF 19-91 4.8 3-36 rec 127 total
DH 27-95 3.5 95 total
Florida:
LF 31-180 5.8 1-15 rec 195 total
DH 44-189 4.3 189 total
TAMU:
LF 32-159 5.0 4-43 rec 202 total
DH 32-236 7.4 1-18 rec 254 total
Totals:
LF 154-925 6.0 13-175 rec 13.5 10TD
DH 194-1122 5.8 7-57 rec 8.1 8TD
LF 19-228 12.0 1-9 rec 237 total
DH 46-271 5.9 271 total
Miss State:
LF 28-159 5.7 159 total
DH 22-204 9.3 204 total
Ole Miss:
LF 25-108 4.3 4-72 rec 180 total
DH 23-127 5.5 5-39 rec 166 total
Arkansas:
LF 19-91 4.8 3-36 rec 127 total
DH 27-95 3.5 95 total
Florida:
LF 31-180 5.8 1-15 rec 195 total
DH 44-189 4.3 189 total
TAMU:
LF 32-159 5.0 4-43 rec 202 total
DH 32-236 7.4 1-18 rec 254 total
Totals:
LF 154-925 6.0 13-175 rec 13.5 10TD
DH 194-1122 5.8 7-57 rec 8.1 8TD
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:50 pm to CheniereTiger108
187/game to 154. Why not use the LSU/Bama game? It counts. 
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:55 pm to CheniereTiger108
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Auburn:
LF 19-228 12.0 1-9 rec 237 total
DH 46-271 5.9 271 total
Miss State:
LF 28-159 5.7 159 total
DH 22-204 9.3 204 total
Ole Miss:
LF 25-108 4.3 4-72 rec 180 total
DH 23-127 5.5 5-39 rec 166 total
Arkansas:
LF 19-91 4.8 3-36 rec 127 total
DH 27-95 3.5 95 total
Florida:
LF 31-180 5.8 1-15 rec 195 total
DH 44-189 4.3 189 total
TAMU:
LF 32-159 5.0 4-43 rec 202 total
DH 32-236 7.4 1-18 rec 254 total
Totals:
LF 154-925 6.0 13-175 rec 13.5 10TD
DH 194-1122 5.8 7-57 rec 8.1 8TD
That is... well, weird to read. If one defense was good against LF, they were horrible against Henry and vice-versa.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:56 pm to nc14
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187/game to 154. Why not use the LSU/Bama game? It counts.
He's not being a jerk - he was asked for stats against common opponents. LF has never run (in a game) against LSU's D, and Henry has never run (in a game) against Bama's D.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:58 pm to skrayper
Second time that he's posted it in the thread and actually head to head is included when comparing common opponents, they both participated.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:00 pm to Grovewater
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If Christian McCaffrey doesn't win the Heisman, then we need to..
Do what Auburn students did in 1971?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:10 pm to nc14
Really?? Because those are stats for their COMMON opponents- Henry didn't play against Bama and Fournette didn't play against LSU.... That's kind of the whole point.... Against common opponents, LF actually has better overall stats. Henry faced NOTHING even remotely close to bamas d-line- which is why he's going to New York over LF.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:12 pm to Grovewater
Stanford Opponent's defensive rankings (YPG from NCAA.com):
Northwestern - 11
UCF - 114
USC - 70
Oregon St. - 116
Arizona - 113
UCLA - 62
Washington - 28
WSU - 93
Colorado - 87
Oregon - 115
Cal - 109
Notre Dame - 38
USC - 70
Average = 78.9
Top 10 defenses = 0
Alabama Opponents Ranking (average YPG_
Wisconsin - 3
MTSU - 57
Ole Miss - 56
ULM - 92
Georgia - 8
Arkansas - 72
aTm - 42
Tennessee - 46
LSU - 25
MSU - 58
Charleston Southern* - 128
Auburn - 90
Florida - 6
Average - 52
Top 10 defenses - 3
*Placed CSU 1 spot below lowest FBS Opponent...
Northwestern - 11
UCF - 114
USC - 70
Oregon St. - 116
Arizona - 113
UCLA - 62
Washington - 28
WSU - 93
Colorado - 87
Oregon - 115
Cal - 109
Notre Dame - 38
USC - 70
Average = 78.9
Top 10 defenses = 0
Alabama Opponents Ranking (average YPG_
Wisconsin - 3
MTSU - 57
Ole Miss - 56
ULM - 92
Georgia - 8
Arkansas - 72
aTm - 42
Tennessee - 46
LSU - 25
MSU - 58
Charleston Southern* - 128
Auburn - 90
Florida - 6
Average - 52
Top 10 defenses - 3
*Placed CSU 1 spot below lowest FBS Opponent...
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:13 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Who is is better than Henry in the SEC? LF7 isn't. Who was the other?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:14 pm to skrayper
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VS FBS teams with a winning record, LF averaged 125 YPG and 4.9 YPC.
Henry? 159 YPG and 5.9 YPC.
And against SEC competition LF7 averaged 5.77 ypc vs Henrys 5.67.. and Henry didn't have to rush against the NFL front 7 that carries this Bama team.
Against Power-5 competition LF7 6.20 ypc, DH 5.92 ypc
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:15 pm to BamaGradinTn
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If Christian McCaffrey doesn't win the Heisman, then we need to..
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Do what Auburn students did in 1971?
Or what Tennessee fans did in 1997.
#trailerparkfrenzy
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:22 pm to CheniereTiger108
Who does he practice against everyday?
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:23 pm to CheniereTiger108
Fournette was better against common opponents this season than Henry, yes.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:24 pm to nc14
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Why not use the LSU/Bama game? It counts.
Because that's not a common defense faced.
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