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re: I wish Bama could take credit for developing Jalen Hurts, but if we are honest, it can’t
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:34 am to MillerLiteTime
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:34 am to MillerLiteTime
In Jalen’s final year at Alabama he completed over 70% of his passes at over 10 yards and 10 air yards per attempt.
He dramatically improved during his time at Alabama. He absolutely would’ve been drafted even if he had just spent his senior year sitting the bench behind Tua.
This is wrong. Saban let Kiffin make the offense wide open with Blake Sims. The thing that limited Jalen at Alabama was that Daboll was your standard NFL coach who tries to force the players to fit his system. BoB does the same shite.
Good college play callers, Kiffin, Lincoln Riley, etc., call a system that fits their players not vice versa.
This is a terrible take. Hurts would be abysmal in the BoB system. The BoB system puts a ton on the QB. Look at how Jalen Milroe looked in it.
He dramatically improved during his time at Alabama. He absolutely would’ve been drafted even if he had just spent his senior year sitting the bench behind Tua.
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Hurts was Kiffin’s attempt at opening the Alabama offense with Saban still not quite ready to let it go wide open.
This is wrong. Saban let Kiffin make the offense wide open with Blake Sims. The thing that limited Jalen at Alabama was that Daboll was your standard NFL coach who tries to force the players to fit his system. BoB does the same shite.
Good college play callers, Kiffin, Lincoln Riley, etc., call a system that fits their players not vice versa.
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Hurts would have thrived in the modern Alabama system
This is a terrible take. Hurts would be abysmal in the BoB system. The BoB system puts a ton on the QB. Look at how Jalen Milroe looked in it.
This post was edited on 1/22/23 at 9:38 am
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Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:35 am to WilliamTaylor21
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Ended his college career with a 35 point loss to LSU
No wonder he claims Alabama.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:37 am to MillerLiteTime
Hurts was drafted #53 in the second round. People are talking about Anthony Richardson being a top ten pick. Even Hurts' Alabama stats blow Richardson out of the water. His Sooner stats make you wonder why he lasted so long in the draft.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:38 am to MillerLiteTime
OHIO State University and most of Ohio try to claim Joe Burrow even though he was at LSU for years.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:40 am to TomRollTideRitter
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This is a terrible take. Hurts would be abysmal in the BoB system. The BoB system puts a ton on the QB. Look at how Jalen Milroe looked in it.
This is the truth of it.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:50 am to MillerLiteTime
I have to laugh at all the mental gymnastics Bama fans (not all) are doing to claim Hurts. I guess Georgia winning the last 2 Nattys has done a number on them and they need to find sometging to cheer about.
Even lowly aTm doesn’t claim Murry. TTU doesn’t claim Baker. Its dipping low into dick rider status all the posts lately claiming Hurts lol.
OU does not claim Caleb Williams either, he is all USCw. OU does not claim Spencer Rattler he is all USCw. I root for SR but would never claim him as OU. Happy for the kid, and he found a great home/coach where he can thrive.
Appreciate your well thought out post. Some common sense was needed from all the bandwagon Hurts fan posts lately. He is a really good player who had to make a massive life decision that had no promise of working. He took a big leap to leave Bama.
In the new era of portal there will be way more transfers. The big sporting media reports them as where they last played as it should be. I can garantee if he had failed then the Bama fans wouldn’t claim him. Its pretty desperate to do so right now.
Even lowly aTm doesn’t claim Murry. TTU doesn’t claim Baker. Its dipping low into dick rider status all the posts lately claiming Hurts lol.
OU does not claim Caleb Williams either, he is all USCw. OU does not claim Spencer Rattler he is all USCw. I root for SR but would never claim him as OU. Happy for the kid, and he found a great home/coach where he can thrive.
Appreciate your well thought out post. Some common sense was needed from all the bandwagon Hurts fan posts lately. He is a really good player who had to make a massive life decision that had no promise of working. He took a big leap to leave Bama.
In the new era of portal there will be way more transfers. The big sporting media reports them as where they last played as it should be. I can garantee if he had failed then the Bama fans wouldn’t claim him. Its pretty desperate to do so right now.
This post was edited on 1/22/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:51 am to bamameister
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Ad yet that's not considered development? Jalen said he specifically came back in 2018 because he wanted to continue to improve as a pocket passer under Dan Enos. And you are correct, he was much better about his reading and reaction in the pocket. The Georgia game was one of his better attempts at looking like the QB we see today.
Sure it helped and I acknowledged that, but we are stretching the truth pretty far to act like a year on the bench at Bama was anything in comparison to his development as OU starter. Thats like giving Urban Meyer credit for Cam Newton.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:52 am to MillerLiteTime
“Miller Lite is like sex in a canoe, ***king close to water.” - Benjamin Franklin
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:52 am to MillerLiteTime
No issues with him claiming both.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:53 am to OU Guy
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I have to laugh at all the mental gymnastics Bama fans (not all) are doing to claim Hurts
Yeah, it's really far-fetched.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:55 am to OU Guy
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I have to laugh at all the mental gymnastics Bama fans (not all) are doing to claim Hurts. I guess Georgia winning the last 2 Nattys has done a number in them and they need to find sometging to cheer about.
What in the world is this claiming stuff? Are you just an idiot? Jalen has a degree from Alabama. Jalen went to 3 straight National Championship games with Alabama. 2 as a starter at Alabama. He has a National Championship at Alabama where he started the game. Jalen will always be someone BAMA roots for and that wouldn't change regardless of where he spent his senior season. Quit being an idiot.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:59 am to TideWarrior
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Very easy to do when the WRs are running wide open in an offensive happy conference.
Why he developed more at OU is irrelevant. He needed confidence as a passer and OU and the B12 gave him that.
And yes I agree with everyone that the Eagles made him into a star NFL starter. But he would have never gotten the chance without OU proving he could actually throw the ball. Scouts were talking about maybe trying him as a late round TE gadget player while he was at Bama.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:02 am to bamameister
The only thing Jalen was not was a big time passer and not because he didn't have the arm or accuracy it was because he could run.. he didn't stick with the plays and wasn't using his stacked WR core to their best. Tua did and everyone was happy.
The way Jalen won was Bama football.. Tua represented the type of offense Bama fans had dreamed of.. Jalen was/is a winner and we could have won with him. What Jalen is now looks more like Bama than Ou.
The way Jalen won was Bama football.. Tua represented the type of offense Bama fans had dreamed of.. Jalen was/is a winner and we could have won with him. What Jalen is now looks more like Bama than Ou.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:04 am to TideWarrior
Finally a sensible tide post
Milroe has a lot of hurts in him
Now it’s up to bama offen coord to get him developed in passing game
Milroe has a lot of hurts in him
Now it’s up to bama offen coord to get him developed in passing game
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:13 am to MillerLiteTime
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Sure it helped and I acknowledged that, but we are stretching the truth pretty far to act like a year on the bench at Bama was anything in comparison to his development as OU starter. Thats like giving Urban Meyer credit for Cam Newton.
Then I'm here for a very honest discussion. Did you see the Jalen Hurts that has played 3 seasons at Philadephia? Before this season they weren't thinking MVP, they didn't think they had a franchise QB. No one saw this one coming. His reads and long-ball improvement are startling. I mean, who is this guy, better. Jalen has always been a great leader and determined and as cool as Joe Montana under pressure. But he figured out the passing game and when to hand off and let his running backs do the heavy lifting. His runs now have so much more purpose when he turns it loose.
In 2016 vs Clemson, when a true freshman Jalen Hurts walked off the field for the final time in the NC game, he put BAMA ahead. The defense gave up the go-ahead score with time running out. I remember that Jalen Hurts too. Do you?
Now, if only coach Saban hasn't fired out OC, Kiffin, the week of an NC game, who knows? That's what I remember. I mean, who the hell does that?
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:24 am to MillerLiteTime
There’s some Bama fans that refuse to take off the crimson glasses in this case
Jalen is Bama at heart and there is not disputing that. However, the progression he made as a passer was from his one year at Oklahoma.
How anyone would argue it is beyond me but hey we’re on the rant
Jalen is Bama at heart and there is not disputing that. However, the progression he made as a passer was from his one year at Oklahoma.
How anyone would argue it is beyond me but hey we’re on the rant
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:27 am to bbeck
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Jalen is Bama at heart and there is not disputing that. However, the progression he made as a passer was from his one year at Oklahoma.
Then you haven't watched Jalen's first year at Philadephia, have you?
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:32 am to bbeck
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There’s some Bama fans that refuse to take off the crimson glasses in this case
Jalen is Bama at heart and there is not disputing that. However, the progression he made as a passer was from his one year at Oklahoma.
How anyone would argue it is beyond me but hey we’re on the rant
It's beyond you because you don't watch Big-12 football.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 10:33 am to MillerLiteTime
Posted on 1/22/23 at 11:07 am to Pandy Fackler
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He wasn't close to an NFL caliber quarterback when he left Oklahoma either. He was the exact same quarterback at both schools. The only difference was this. Defense in the Big 12 is optional. That's it, that's all.
He could be contained in the SEC. Not so much in a league that plays defense optional football.
Jalen Hurts was coached and developed at Alabama. The only thing Oklahoma did for him was put him in a league that wouldn't challenge him the way the SEC did.
Nothing about his game changed when he went to Oklahoma.
LSU fan here, I watched Hurts play LSU in Tiger Stadium in 2016 (his Freshman year) and watched him again in person vs. LSU when he was at OU in the CFP game in Atlanta.
His passing skills were much better in 2019 than what they were in 2016, which is to be expected given that is 4 years. So some of his development between those 2 points has to be given to the Alabama coaching staff. Still, there was a bit of jump for Hurts with Riley at OU.
And obviously, this NFL staff at the Eagles has really coached him up.
Hurts always seemed like a good guy, so good for him.
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