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Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:32 pm to undecided
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:32 pm to undecided
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Trent Richardson is the best offensive player on the Cleveland Browns. How much does that mean when Brandon Weeden is the starting QB???? And what are the chances of Trent remaining healthy playing behind the Browns O-line against the Steelers and Ravens each year. Especially when he's already had injury issues
That's the theme with Bama players. We are told for years they are the best players in the Universe. They get to the NFL and fade into the background. Let's see, does Barrett Jones even play football anymore?
What does this even mean? What does the Brown's o-line have to do with Trent's talent level and work ethic? Nearly every NFL player was a bigger deal on his college campus than he is in the NFL. Nearly every player dominates more at the college level than they do at the NFL level. Why should Alabama 1st rounders be held to a different standard than other 1st rounders?
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Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:38 pm to Monticello
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Why should Alabama 1st rounders be held to a different standard than other 1st rounders?
Because they use it as a recruiting tool and the created a poster bragging about the contracts their 1st round players signed
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:40 pm to undecided
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I this not similar to what I said in the OP?
So what's your point then? I don't think anyone is claiming that Alabama players will perform on average any better than other NFL players drafted at similar spots. All Alabama fans and Saban claim is that Saban and the Alabama system/process will increase your odds of getting drafted, getting drafted higher, and getting a bigger rookie contract, which is all true.
I do tend to agree that some weaker minded players may treat leaving Saban's system and having all that free time kind of like a preacher's daughter treats her first year of college. Saban can lead them to water, but he can't make them drink. And that's all he can really promise them and their parents.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:42 pm to undecided
And that made you mad enough to start a thread with no basis? Carry on.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:42 pm to undecided
Don't know if you are just retarded, or an ignorant child.. I'm undecided. 
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:43 pm to undecided
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Because they use it as a recruiting tool and the created a poster bragging about the contracts their 1st round players signed
So, you're saying Saban took a bunch of scrubs and made them millionaires. Pretty good sales pitch, imho.
Also, go back to ITAT, inbred.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:44 pm to undecided
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Because they use it as a recruiting tool and the created a poster bragging about the contracts their 1st round players signed
His players being more likely to get drafted in the 1st round and get bigger rookie contracts is absolutely true. Again. What's your point? Saban is absolutely delivering on any promise or insinuation that he is more likely to get them drafted than anyone else.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:52 pm to undecided
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Let's see, does Barrett Jones even play football anymore?
Check out this guy. Yes, he does.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:54 pm to Monticello
quote:Jerraud Powers
Since the 2008 draft, (Saban's first draft at Alabama) has Auburn even had someone drafted who is currently an NFL starter, other than Cam Newton (meeting expectations) and Nick Fairley (not yet meeting expectations)?
Sen'Derrick Marks
And just so I get this right (I am not defending undecided's dumb thread), we are only allowed to use NFL players who have only been in the league for 4 years or less and they must be starters?
This post was edited on 8/2/13 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:58 pm to Monticello
I'm not disagreeing with much you've said on this page, in fact that's why I titled this thread, "I know why Saban players fail in the NFL". It's about the players lack of will and initiative once they are no longer under Saban's management
Take Miami as an example. For decades they were a football factory winning CFB NC's and having highly drafted, successful NFL players. I mentioned the HOF ceremony in the OP. Warren Sapp, a product of Miami is a first ballot inductee. Miami is proof that players can be successful both in college and the NFL. Saban has not reached that level of success yet
Take Miami as an example. For decades they were a football factory winning CFB NC's and having highly drafted, successful NFL players. I mentioned the HOF ceremony in the OP. Warren Sapp, a product of Miami is a first ballot inductee. Miami is proof that players can be successful both in college and the NFL. Saban has not reached that level of success yet
This post was edited on 8/2/13 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 8/2/13 at 10:59 pm to joeyb147
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Jerraud Powers
Sen'Derrick Marks
Who?
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And just so I get this right (I am not defending undecided's dumb thread), we are only allowed to use NFL players who have only been in the league for 4 years or less and they must be starters?
If we are only discussing Saban's Alabama draft picks, then it would be unfair to compare draft picks from other schools who have had more time to develop. And yes, I think it is safe to assume that if a player is not starting, then he is likely not that great at this point in time(nb4 Ben Tate comments).
This post was edited on 8/2/13 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:01 pm to undecided
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Miami is proof that players can be successful both in college and the NFL. Saban has not reached that level of success
Sure, but no college has reached that level in history. And those Miami players like Ray Lewis have had full 10-15 year NFL careers now. Bama's have been in the league a couple of years.
Can't really compare the two at this point.Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:01 pm to Monticello
quote:Ah, not a fan of the NFL then?
Who?
quote:Like I already said, I don't agree with this dumbass thread.
If we are only discussing Saban's Alabama draft picks, then it would be unfair to compare draft picks from other schools who have had more time to develop.
quote:Oh, so you are in straight flame mode right now instead of actually having a discussion.
I think it is safe to assume that if a player is not starting, then he is likely not that great (nb4 Ben Tate comments).
Well continue on. I won't bother you from flaming as undecided has.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:03 pm to Monticello
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If we are only discussing Saban's Alabama draft picks, then it would be unfair to compare draft picks from other schools who have had more time to develop. And yes, I think it is safe to assume that if a player is not starting, then he is likely not that great (nb4 Ben Tate comments).
So there will be no discussion of Mark Ingram because he hasn't actually started a game for the Saints has he? All he's done is injure coveted free agent signees and attend Bama/LSU games
This post was edited on 8/2/13 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:06 pm to joeyb147
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Ah, not a fan of the NFL then?
Sure I am. But nether Powers nor Marks are at the star power level than the OP seems to expect all Alabama players to be.
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Oh, so you are in straight flame mode right now instead of actually having a discussion.
Huh? If you want to discuss non-starting NFL players in a thread debating who is playing at some mythical elite level, then have at it. I simply mentioned Ben Tate because I figured you would.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:06 pm to joeyb147
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Like I already said, I don't agree with this dumbass thread.
Nevertheless, I appreciate your page-views and commentary
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:07 pm to undecided
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Take Miami as an example. For decades they were a football factory winning CFB NC's
Which decades were that?
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Miami is proof that players can be successful both in college and the NFL. Saban has not reached that level of success yet
Saban isn't a university.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:07 pm to undecided
Must be a bitter pill to swallow to know that Alabama has won three out of four with apparently subpar players.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:10 pm to undecided
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So there will be no discussion of Mark Ingram because he hasn't actually started a game for the Saints has he? All he's done is injure coveted free agent signees and attend Bama/LSU games
Are you slow? Mark Ingram has vastly underperformed. I never claimed otherwise? If he had been drafted by about 15 other NFL teams I think he would be a decent NFL starter right now though. The Saints don't really utilize the HB position, especially not at an every down power type level. They split carries with about 3-4 guys and throw to scat backs more than they run. Ingram has about the same talent level as Eddie Lacy and would have been better off going in the 2nd round to a team that relies on an every down power back.
Posted on 8/2/13 at 11:11 pm to Monticello
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Sure I am. But nether Powers nor Marks are at the star power level than the OP seems to expect all Alabama players to be.
Do I really need to link the thousands of articles, interviews, videos, tweets, ect written on the greatness of Nick Saban and his players???
Regarding The U: I'm not expecting Saban or his players to attain that level of success. I just used Miami as an example of success on both levels. With so much parity in CFB, I don't expect their run to ever be replicated
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