re: I guess it's Mizzou's week coming up. Unflattering OTL out

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Supposedly 3 Texas commits are now interested in Missouri though.

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Interesting, did not know that. Thanks for the update.

BTW, the commentary between reedus and yourself on the MU board was much better than what this thread went to. Interesting comments by both of you and well worth the read.

The tape that vanished is disturbing as it appears to validate the claim of the deceased and it was in the possession of someone who could have disclosed information that heath care providers could not. The only question I have is law enforcement and HIPPA. It was my understanding that law enforcement and insurance companies were exempt from HIPPA, or at least they were in the early drafts of the HIPPA documents.

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Regarding the withdrawal papers - that didn't have to be done the way it was. You don't visit someone in a psych ward who feels like you've been trying to get rid of them with papers designed to get rid of them. The medical center shouldn't have allowed them in to see her. That was a failure on both the medical center AND the AD as well as her coach who was very likely in the loop on that one.

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I'm filing this under the No Good Deed Goes Unpunished header.

The assumption is that she was doing well in class prior to her treatment, which I haven't read anywhere (I may have missed it.) If she was doing marginally or otherwise withdrawal helps overcome the absence, but in addition to the grades there was apparently an athletic eligibility issue, and from what I've read, the withdrawal assisted her in not only maintaining eligibility but also assisted her in continuing with her education.

If this was a normal student and she was put into treatment, I could understand taking an imcomplete, but with my understanding of the eligibility rules the withdrawal preserved her eligibility and leaving her enrolled and incomplete in classes would not have done the same.

I could be wrong though.

I don't think the university was trying to be rid of her, as they had no reason to try to be rid of her by the time this issue came to pass. To be honest, I'd trust the university to not push her out the door even if what we know now was known then.

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I would like to sponsor cheese grits for access to the Mizzou board.

Quality poster.

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It might get the trolling to stop actually. The trolling started when access was voted down.

The night she signed the papers she was transported to KC, then to Boston. She wasn't back in Columbia, so when would she have signed? The school talked with her parents. They were involved in the decision. What more do you want?

It seems the tone of this thread has shifted over he course from "ready to lynch the Missouri AD for covering up rape" to arguments of academic procedure surrounding the withdrawal of this poor young woman from the academic period.

Folks can keep making assumptions as to those issues. I hope that there is a lengthy internal investigation so that all the minor details are clear in so far as the University of Missouri is involved.

This is a tragically sad story. I'm not sure it's any kind of whitewash of events by the Missouri AD to the huge dismay of the usual suspects here hence the focus on withdrawal from school, a decision supported by her family.

Those that are focused on spinning and assumption making clearly with a bias to paint Missouri in bad light are fooling no one.

Oh and grits. You can frick off and grow up as well. What you are doing here, this pathetic attempt to ply some form of neutral insights while taking your terribly transparent shots at Mizzou while you go,
you know; your usual act when it comes to Missouri here, is fooling absolutely no one.

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What do you mean? The ESPN report? I think it's over the over all handling which could've gone a whole lot better than it did.

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I'm trying to take an unbiased neutral view on the whole thing, which isn't really possible, but I don't see how things could have been handled much better then they were.

They probably should have looked further into the report, since as an educational institution they have a stronger responsibility to investigate and report crimes of this sort than the police do, but besides that...I don't know where else I find much fault.

To be honest, I think the whole argument of whether or not MU should have taken withdrawal papers to her in a hospital is pathetic. No matter what the University did or didn't do, they were going to end up getting second guessed. There are other and far more serious issues that need to be addressed at the University beyond the legal efficacy of a document signed by one in a hospital.

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I'm trying to take an unbiased neutral view on the whole thing, which isn't really possible, but I don't see how things could have been handled much better then they were.

They probably should have looked further into the report, since as an educational institution they have a stronger responsibility to investigate and report crimes of this sort than the police do, but besides that...I don't know where else I find much fault.

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Well we're talking about multiple things that went on here that may or may not add up to any fault beyond 'what the hell were you thinking doing this way instead of that way.' I think she felt shut out by the swim coach and AD early on and I think her parents came to feel that way too after the documents came out. Colleges and universities don't like dealing with mental health issues or rape. Administrators, from my experience, are particularly uncomfortable with students who need real help -- they'd rather you just go home so you're not their responsibility and tend to push students who are having problems out so there is cause for some concern whenever something like this occurs. Although I don't the AD was pushing her out the door over the rape since she was already in Boston before she told her, I am somewhat suspicious of the swim coach and AD just not wanting to deal with a student with mental health issues.

More than anything I think the report raises questions that need to be answered about how the whole situation - everything from the mental health care aspect to the rape - was handled but seeing only the short video and reading the article it's difficult to draw many conclusions beyond that.

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It seems the tone of this thread has shifted over he course from "ready to lynch the Missouri AD for covering up rape" to arguments of academic procedure surrounding the withdrawal of this poor young woman from the academic period.

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No, I think it has been pretty consistent in that how it was handled may be the touchstone for how not to handle a similar situation going forward. If there was a tape that showed 3 football players doing bad things that is a problem. Prof made the specific point that proceeding when they did about the academic situation was clearly ill advised for someone who - "She was hospitalized again and placed on a 96-hour involuntary commitment." - was clearly in a fragile enough state for a formal involuntary.

The article stated "Missouri athletic department staffer Meghan Anderson presented a University Withdrawal Form to Menu Courey, which Menu Courey signed despite a desire to continue with her schooling and the fact that she was legally incapacitated at the time." certain things as facts, and if those are correct facts shows flaws in how it was handled by the university. This is not just commentary on Mizzou, and had any other university done the same I would be raising the same talking points.

#1 Meghan was an AD staffer, not a staff member from the academic side of Missouri.
#2 Sasha was legally incapacitated at the time - and it sure sounds like she was in a locked facility, or at least a locked ward.
#3 No matter what the official policy timetable was, this was not the time or place to deal with it.
#4 Clearly there was a downward spiral, and seems to support a precipitating event - in this case a self reported sexual assault.

kilo, a person clearly died here and there appears to be a crime that caused this final event. If it was my daughter I would want some closure especially if the sexual assault was committed by multiple attackers. You are so blinded to see this as a trolling event that you have completely lost sight of the bigger issues.

From the article "Woodland said she was unaware, perhaps due to her intoxication, that multiple football players were taking turns having intercourse with her."

This was not Sasha stating this but a third party who was on the football team. Seems like a convincing "smoking gun" that something bad did indeed happen. The separation is wether Mizzou knew about it, but it does appear to have happened and the persons involved were Mizzou football players.

Deflect all you want if it makes you secure with yourself, but if there really was a gang rape then somebody needs to be brought to justice.