re: I, for one, would like to welcome Indiana to the elite club

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Bowl games did not count in 1964. So it doesn't matter what happened in a bowl game.

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Shows a very poor understanding of the culture of college football in the 60s

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Ohio State claims a year based on the FWAA for what it's worth.

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I give them shite for it too.

Same year as Bears first at Alabama, 1961. Alabama went undefeated, and won it's bowl game, not that it mattered. Was #1 in the AP and #1 in the Coaches.

The most anyone scored on Alabama that year was 7 points, which happened once. 6 teams were shut out completely. Outscored their opponents 307-25 over 11 games.

Ohio St that year went 8-0-1. Didn't even play in a bowl game either, and wasn't as dominating.

Yet the FWAA and it's 5 voters decided nah, it's Ohio St. It's a joke, but that's what they did - tried to gain attention and push agendas.

But to be fair, lots of Ohio St media and fans don't claim it. They kind of see it the way I see Alabama's 1941 claim. There is another one they don't' claim either because it's not AP or Coaches.

Here's one of their local media excluding it just last year after they won the playoffs.

Why Ohio State claims two national championships when not finishing No. 1 in AP poll

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had 5 voters who voted anonymously and their entire agenda was trying to make bowl games count

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You say this amongst criticism like it's a bad thing, lol. That clearly should have always been the case. Regardless of how you perceive them, that's prescient and only serves to give them more credit.

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You say this amongst criticism like it's a bad thing, lol. That clearly should have always been the case. Regardless of how you perceive them, that's prescient and only serves to give them more credit.

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No, it shouldn't have. The bowl games were never about putting #1 vs #2 against each other. It was just 2 teams who would accept.

Especially since in the late 50s the Rose Bowl banned everyone not from the Big and Pac conferences because they kept losing to teams from other conferences.

Of which stood in the way of us actually getting a format where #1 would play #2 until the basically the early 90s when things like the Bowl Coalition and Alliance formed to get #1 to play #2, and finally forced the Rose Bowl and other conferences to join into the BCS.

Hell sometimes teams would play a team that wasn't ranked at all. Like in 1965, when #2 Arkansas lost to unranked LSU in the bowl game. Had Arkansas won that game, you would have been NC because they counted the game that year. Instead the bowl game made Alabama national champions instead.

It gives them no credit because that's not how things worked.

Besides, they had 0 effect on getting anything changed. They were just a joke.

I remember what the poll era was about and how it sucked.

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The football team wasn't allowed by the school to play in the Rose Bowl.

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It wouldn't have mattered since they didn't count.

It's only notable because of the FWAA and the fact they wanted bowl games to count etc. But they couldn't contain their bias.

They eventually had to force them from not being anonymous because some of them would vote teams way down to influence the final results etc.

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I'm sorry you got fricked over by Texas. If Arkansas claimed a natty every time that happened, we'd have quite a few.

Bottom line NCAA recognized selector picked an undefeated team as champion that year. I guess Bama shouldn't have left the game in the hands of the refs if they wanted the sole claim to the title.

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Alabama won the national championship more than 30 days prior to the game.

The NCAA does not recognize national champions or selectors. If you believe otherwise, please show me the guidelines they have passed for doing so.

And before you inevitable link to ncaa.com, that site is run by Turner Sports and the lists they have are just some list whatever recent editor they have has posted. It's not done by the NCAA, or even an employee of the NCAA.

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Brother, IDGAF who they outsource their editing to. It's listed on their website. I understand that they don't technically recognize any official champ pre-BCS, but if we're going by that then no one would have any pre-98 titles

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Turner sports runs the entire website, not just editing. Next year it can be a completely different list. A few years ago they would list 2017 UCF, this editor is a little better and doesn't.

You're trying to use it as an authority, but it isn't one at all.

Alabama could claim over 20 titles by these loose standards. But all I want is for them to stop claiming 1941.

Which schools have won a title in all 3 major sports l(Football, mbasketball, baseball)in that time frame. I know we have. Who else?

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The FWAA is not a legit poll is the problem. As I pointed out, it was a bias and agenda based poll with 5 anon voters.

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Simply your opinion, as it was considered a legitimate poll at the time. There are issues with the AP and coaches poll as well. That’s neither here nor there. Your argument about them just wanting to pick a different champ than the AP I doesn’t line up with the 2 years before ‘64

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People say Alabama's 1964 title isn't legit. And it's usually out of not knowing how things worked, such as the championships were awarded a full month before the bowl games and it wasn't considered a real game etc. So I point out the reality of how things were.

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I believe you are underselling how bowls were valued especially regionally. I know that going to the Cotton Bowl, in itself, was a huge deal for Arkansas fans in this era.

That said I’ve never had an issue with Bama claiming a share of the ‘64 title.