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re: I don't get this Gruden infatuation by Arkansas fans
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:06 am to HawgAlude
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:06 am to HawgAlude
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That is who I think it will be
Tim Horton
There's a good possibility with Horton or Paul Petrino imo. I just hope it's someone who will keep the staff together and build on what's already there.
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:07 am to therick711
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I guess you could call it a pro-style offense, but the fact that the only year it was used in the NFL it finished 23rd in yds/game and 29 in pts/game means you would have to use that term very loosely.
Even if you don't want to call it a pro-style offense (which is what it is), it certainly isn't a spread. FYI, Atlanta wasn't the only time he ran it in the pros either. Petrino spent years in the NFL as an OC and Offensive Coach before he was ever the HC in Atlanta.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:08 am to therick711
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Then why were the last two games of the season without him much better than the previous games in terms of consistency of the offense? They weren't the tops, but they were more consistent.
3 games. He missed the last 3 games. 300 yds/game in those 3 games. Exactly what they averaged for the first 13 games.
But since you're so keen to focus in on statistics derived from such a small sample size, let's look at how poorly their defense did over the same stretch: 408 yds/game. In the previous 13 games: 343 yds/game.
Are we to assume, based on those 3 games which you're so obsessed with, that Petrino was a defensive guru? Stats!
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Here's the link. You are talking in abstracts. Here are the numbers. You also act like the fact he only had 13 games is attributable to something other than his own actions, which is kind of funny.
Actually, I'm pointing out how ludicrous it is to judge Petrino's system based on 13 games in the NFL, with a backup QB, after only 1 off season together.
The NFL is about personnel. Just like college. Petrino's system looked about as good in Atlanta as it did in Arkansas during 2008.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:08 am to TopHog1
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Why be a frickin moron?
Because trying to cope with this coaching search has made me stupid.
ETA: You might actually be right about Horton.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 10:11 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:09 am to TopHog1
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I heard from a very good source that it is going to be Tim Horton for the fall
You don't have any fricking sources. No one does.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:12 am to Hog Leg
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Gillette Coon Supper
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:13 am to therick711
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I guess you could call it a pro-style offense, but the fact that the only year it was used in the NFL it finished 23rd in yds/game and 29 in pts/game means you would have to use that term very loosely.
You mean the team that lost their QB before the season. Let's not pretend that Atlanta had a viable option at QB in 2007. A team with a decent QB doesn't start a rookie the following season.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:13 am to Arkansasrazorback
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Even if you don't want to call it a pro-style offense (which is what it is), it certainly isn't a spread. FYI, Atlanta wasn't the only time he ran it in the pros either. Petrino spent years in the NFL as an OC and Offensive Coach before he was ever the HC in Atlanta.
So now we are expanding the definition of years to include the one year he was an offensive coordinator. He coached QBs for two other years. Yep, 3 years is a veritable mountain of experience.
ETA: You will be happy to know that in 2001 Bobby P's Actionville Jaguars finished right around where his ATL team did statistically.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:14 am to ocelot4ark
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Actually, I'm pointing out how ludicrous it is to judge Petrino's system based on 13 games in the NFL, with a backup QB, after only 1 off season together.
The NFL is about personnel. Just like college. Petrino's system looked about as good in Atlanta as it did in Arkansas during 2008.
Ask Sean Payton about 2006. Hell, ask Mike Smith about the next year when they went 11-5. Come on, now.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:17 am to therick711
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Ask Sean Payton about 2006. Hell, ask Mike Smith about the next year when they went 11-5. Come on, now.
What does any of that have to do with Petrino's offensive system qualifying as "pro-style." His system is as "pro" as there is in college football.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:17 am to therick711
I could quote coaches like Tom Coughlin praising Petrino as a playcaller or analysts saying that Arkansas's offense is the closest thing to a pro-style offense in CFB if you would like me too.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:22 am to ocelot4ark
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You don't have any fricking sources. No one does.
I actually do. Whether or not he is right is a totally different story.
You can stay mad that you are a nobody...
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:25 am to ocelot4ark
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Arky fans on the other hand aren't willing to say that Gruden to Arkansas is doubtful.
I'll say it: it ain't doubtful, he ain't coming. Most sane Razorback fans know this. The chodes on Nobville make all of us look like friggin' idiots.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:26 am to TopHog1
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I actually do. Whether or not he is right is a totally different story. He does work for the Arkansas media.....
Which means it has an even LOWER chance of happening.
Like I keep saying, no one has any sources. Long doesn't operate like Broyles did. He doesn't float names to get opinions, then make a hire. Things are run way more professionally than that.
There's a fine line between "media," "blogger," and "fan" these days. I don't think someone like Mike Irwin, Bo Mattingly, Aaron Peters, etc has any more of an idea what's going on than WE do.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:28 am to TopHog1
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I actually do. Whether or not he is right is a totally different story. He does work for the Arkansas media.....
I hear ya. I have an "inside source" as well. They said it was looking like it might be P. Petrino. That was a few days ago. But they also said that nobody really knows what Jeff Long would decide because Jeff Long didn't really know what decision he would make at that point.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:44 am to TopHog1
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You can stay mad that you are a nobody...
Oh, so because I don't believe that every 1/3rd person has a "source," I'm a nobody? Brilliant logic, there.
It's sad that your definition of being a "somebody" in life is contingent upon whether or not said person has an affiliation with someone in the Arkansas media. Which I do...happens to be an editor for one of the NWA newspapers. Does that make me a SOMEBODY now, douche?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:45 am to Tigerinasia
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I knew it! All of the rantards are actually alters of Arkansas fans.
it kinda seems like it
guys on teh tiger rant saying they want gruden or dungy or some crap
how about a college coach who knows how to run a college program?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:46 am to molsusports
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how about a college coach who knows how to run a college program?
You would choose Mark Hudspeth over Jon Gruden?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:52 am to ocelot4ark
I don't have an informed enough opinion on Hudspeth to say what I really think about him
RE: Gruden? The dude burned out hard. He did an outright BAD job near the end with Tampa Bay. It was a dumpster fire.
The last time I saw things go that far south was Ditka in Chicago... and yet the Saints tards (thanks Buddy D) still insisted on going for him because he was a name coach
So with Gruden you have two issues: he may not know much of anything about how to run a college football program and he may no longer be anywhere near as good at coaching as what he originally was with the Raiders.
RE: Gruden? The dude burned out hard. He did an outright BAD job near the end with Tampa Bay. It was a dumpster fire.
The last time I saw things go that far south was Ditka in Chicago... and yet the Saints tards (thanks Buddy D) still insisted on going for him because he was a name coach
So with Gruden you have two issues: he may not know much of anything about how to run a college football program and he may no longer be anywhere near as good at coaching as what he originally was with the Raiders.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:54 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Arky fans on the other hand aren't willing to say that Gruden to Arkansas is doubtful.
Gruden to Arkansas is not only doubtful it is just flat out not going to happen.
Do not take comments on Hogville as the entire team's fans thoughts. From what I can tell on Hogville the Gruden stuff has just turned into a running joke.
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