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re: How To Re-Align the SEC

Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:10 am to
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:10 am to


Since Sankey doesn't appear to be an idiot, it's very doubtful the 16-team SEC will be divided into 4-team pods. It sacrifices way too many high-value annual rivalries, causing a huge negative financial impact.

And it'd be equally stupid to incorporate fixed/yearly cross-pod opponents, because that uses schedule slots needed to achieve frequent cross-pod rotations -- which is the only benefit pods offer.

At a cursory glance pods (or only a few fixed opponents w/o pods) may seem like cool ideas, but closer examination proves they're fools gold.

Maybe that's why the SEC's 14-team/8-game model isn't already 3 fixed opponents (no E/W divisions), rotating the other 10 opponents in 5 schedule slots.
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 7:53 am
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:58 am to
quote:

sacrifices way too many high-value annual rivalries, causing a huge negative financial impact


That's the opposite of true. If you actually count the games.

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stupid to include fixed/yearly cross-pod opponents, because that uses schedule slots needed to achieve frequent cross-pod rotations


This seems like you haven't really read the proposal. Because around half of the higher value rivalries the SEC should want would be maintained by the out of pod opponents for financial and traditional interests. Examples on the prior page include Alabama/Auburn, Florida/Tennessee, LSU/Florida, LSU/Alabama, A&M/Texas.

The rotation with the pods also completes a home and away through the entire conference in only six years. With the eight team mega divisions it takes eight years.

That's an advantage in every respect.
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 8:04 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:00 am to


2 divisions provide 112 yearly intra-div games. Pods provide only 48 yearly intra-pod games.

If cross-pod schedule slots get used for fixed cross-pod opponents, then there aren't enough slots available to accommodate rotating as frequently.

Got a link to your proposal?
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 8:28 am
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:11 am to
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by TidalSurge1
2 divisions yields 112 yearly SEC games. Pods yield only 48. If you add fixed cross-pod opponents you have less schedule slots available for rotations


You end up with nine conference games per team per year for both the pods and the divisions proposals. That's the same number of games to sell in either case. But the divisions proposals where you move Alabama and Auburn east kill some annual money making games like LSU/Alabama, LSU/Florida, LSU/Auburn.

With the pods and six fixed opponents you rotate three of the nine non permanent opponents per year. That allows you to complete a complete home and away in six years.

With the eight team divisions you rotate two of the eight non permanent opponents per year. That means you take eight years to complete the home and away rotation
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:29 am to
My plan is 4X4 pods where you play the 3 teams in your pod (3 games), 1 fixed opponent in the other pods (3 games), & the other teams in your paired pod.
Y1 - AB vrs. CD
Y2 - AC vrs. BD
Y3 - AD vrs. BC
Best record in each "division of 8" is an SECCG team.
Everybody seen in 3; full H/H in 6.
Keeps pretty much EVERY RIVALRY if teams aren't in your pod.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:34 am to
As I've already clearly posted a few times, a few yearly games like LSU-AL -FL -AU will become rotating, but new yearly games like LSU-OK -TX -MO, GA-AL & FL-AL -AU offset that.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:37 am to
Yes. Functional eight team divisions every year.

For anyone who sits down and writes out the rivalry games the pods plus fixed opponents save more of the big games than the divisions option
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:40 am to
What a complicated mess!

I must confess I had not read your model explanation. My remarks about pods and fixed cross-pod opponents were based having 4-team pods and each team having 1 fixed cross-pod rival.
I agree your proposed model offers some advantages, but I doubt it's gonna happen.
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 8:23 pm
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:42 am to
But your way accomplishes the rotation slower and costs too many traditional games.

You say its about traditional games and television but then you want to kill LSU/Alabama and LSU/Florida games

That's not bathwater. That's a baby.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:46 am to
How many times do It have to show you that equally valuable new rivalries will replace those? Lose LSU-AL -FL but gain LSU-OK -TX & AL-GA -FL.
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 8:50 am
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 8:56 am to
Equally valuable is untrue IMO. Proponents of conference rearrangement commonly make promises like this but it often turns out to be untrue.

The big lesson from that history (Big 8, SWC, Big 12, Big 10) is you never destroy a good series. It is also extremely disingenuous for a fan who wants their favorite games preserved to ignore the priorities of other teams.

If you think a team should be interested in developing rivalries with Texas, Missouri, and Oklahoma then you should push for Alabama to be that team.
Posted by Whentheleveebreaks
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 9:37 am to
This one sounds pretty good. Keeps the conference slate at 8 games a year.

Just a slightly different version of the 3 permanent/rivals format.
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 9:38 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 9:42 am to
Clemson
Florida St
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Miami

Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vandy
Kentucky

Ole Miss
LSU
Miss St
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas

Texas
A&M
Oklahoma
Mizzou
Kansas
Nebraska
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 9:59 am to
quote:

a few yearly games like LSU-AL -


LSU-AL would never become rotating.

You can't kill this game.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:00 am to
quote:

Lose LSU-AL -FL but gain LSU-OK -TX & AL-GA -FL


frick that that's not equal.



Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
8658 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:08 am to
I see no real fair way that you expand the conference and dont see some of these "annual rivalries" disappear. Why even be in a conference if you arent playing a team or two more than once a decade.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:20 am to
Your 4-pod 6-fixed opponents model is actually pretty good, but it is complicated.

Another simpler option is no pods or divisions, 5 fixed opponents, rotating the other 10 in five schedule slots, playing all 10 (H&A) in 4 years. Top 2 teams in CG.
This post was edited on 4/26/22 at 10:23 am
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29285 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:25 am to
quote:

My plan is 4X4 pods where you play the 3 teams in your pod (3 games), 1 fixed opponent in the other pods (3 games), & the other teams in your paired pod.
Y1 - AB vrs. CD
Y2 - AC vrs. BD
Y3 - AD vrs. BC
Best record in each "division of 8" is an SECCG team.
Everybody seen in 3; full H/H in 6.
Keeps pretty much EVERY RIVALRY if teams aren't in your pod.



What I suggested on Page 1 is exactly what you're saying.

Everyone stresses about this "division" thing as if it does anything more than divide the conference in to two round robins for an easy way to determine if you want a championship game.

But that is largely because the NCAA said in order to have a championship game you want a complete round robin for balanced scheduling. Duh. You want that REGARDLESS of if it allows for a championship game or not.

But here is the thing, it doesn't need to be the same division every year, it just needs to be as complete as possible.

So what you can do is create four divisions(gasp) and pair them each year and create two round robin. You don't even have to pick the winners of the new "divisions" based on standings, but you probably would because if it came down to CFP rankings there will be bias.

Cotton Division:
Arkansas
Mizzou
Oklahoma
tu

Magnolia Division:
LSU
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt

Dixie Division:
Alabama
Kentucky
Mississippi State
Tennessee

Peach Division:
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina

Ole Miss/State
Texas A&M/tu
Alabama/Auburn
Tennessee/Vanderbilt
Would be permanent cross division rivals.
LSU/Arkansas
Kentucky/Florida

Optional.

You can create secondary cross division rivalries like Alabama/LSU, Tennessee/Georgia if you want as well in off years so those teams play 2 out of every 3 years.


You maintain 8 games(which is of EXTREME importance and absolutely NO conference schedule should have 9 when the SEC is as strong as it is). You maintain rivalries. Every player(even the 3 year year guys) will play every single SEC team in their careers. You create balance.

So. fricking. Simple.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8441 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:28 am to
Is there a list of all rivalries/must play annual games?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8441 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 10:37 am to
HOW is it a mess?
You've seen everybody in 3 years & FULL H/H in 6.

Ex. Team A1 schedule:
Y1 - A2, A3, A4, B1 (fixed Pod B opponent), B2 (paired pod), B3 (paired pod), B4 (paired pod), C1 (fixed Pod C opponent), D1 (fixed Pod D opponent)
Y2 - A2, A3, A4, B1 (fixed Pod B opponent), C1 (fixed Pod C opponent), C2 (paired pod), C3 (paired pod), C4 (paired pod), D1 (fixed Pod D opponent)
Y3 - A2, A3, A4, B1 (fixed Pod B opponent), C1 (fixed Pod C opponent), D1 (fixed Pod D opponent), D2 (paired pod), D3 (paired pod), D4 (paired pod)
Y4 - Y1 (switch sites)
Y5 - Y2 (switch sites)
Y6 - Y3 (switch sites)
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