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Posted on 1/27/09 at 12:54 pm to Duke
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Apples to oranges man. You or I sleeping with Jessica Alba is like North Dakota Tech beating Florida in Pasadena next year
ole miss repeating a 8 win season seems like the same odds to me
Posted on 1/27/09 at 12:55 pm to Maximus
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The talent will only decline no matter what Nutt does. Nutt is a pretty average recruiter at best and Orgeron stockpiled some nice talent for him.
Kind of makes me wonder, if Nutt doesn't recruit well, why doesn't Ole Miss get into the "Hire great recruiters to our staff" derby?
They hired Orgeron as their head coach for his recruiting skills. Why don't they get into the bidding war for hiring away good assistants?
LSU, Tennesse, Alabama and Auburn have all just hired guys to recruit, why aren't they gtting into the fray?
Did they see MSU,their instate rival, try unsuccessfully to hire Florida's receivers coach and make the decission to not put themselves through some type of public humiliation?
Does their recent success keep them from the posibility of improving their staff?
If recruiting is Nutt's weakness, shouldn't they make an effort to get help in this all important aspect of SEC Football?
Don't they see how important recruiting is to the most successful SEC teams?
Nutt's old team is being touted for the class they have coming in. Petrino is supposedly getting a great class that includes some talented defensive backs, a position the Hogs have excelled in the past. He's an offensive guy but he must realize defense is really important in the SEC.
If the Hogs want to win, Nutt better get better at recruiting or get help.
He definately has a better talent pool in Mississippi than he did in Arkansas.
I think his instate reruiting will be the key to the Rebels success. he may have to place a lot of guys in Junior college for two years and then have them for two.
With the Cotton Bowl win, Nutt needs to strike while the iron is gettng warmer.
He's got SEC speed on both sides of the ball and a very talented quarterback. He needs to get some good players to keep a good thing going.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 1:03 pm to ChuckDockery
Posted on 1/27/09 at 1:55 pm to PDJ4LSU
I think the LSU fans are right. We have no shot to win the West. How can we? Les "The Hat" Miles is still the coach down in Red Stick isn't he? LSU is still playing in the SEC West right? Nick Saban is still coaching at Alabama? Julio Jones is still a receiver at Alabama? Brandon LaFell and Jordan Jefferson... why they'll be unstoppable!
For us Ole Miss fans to think we have a shot is just ignorance. We're talking about the difference between Houston Nutt and "The Hat". It's clearly apples and oranges.
We don't stand a chance in 08. I say we'll finish behind Mississippi State, possibly ahead and finish in 5th.
It's LSU. It's Bama. Why are we kidding ourselves? Plus LSU will probably have Reuben Randle. And we all know Reuben Randle could beat the Detroit Lions by himself.
For us Ole Miss fans to think we have a shot is just ignorance. We're talking about the difference between Houston Nutt and "The Hat". It's clearly apples and oranges.
We don't stand a chance in 08. I say we'll finish behind Mississippi State, possibly ahead and finish in 5th.
It's LSU. It's Bama. Why are we kidding ourselves? Plus LSU will probably have Reuben Randle. And we all know Reuben Randle could beat the Detroit Lions by himself.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 1:58 pm to PharmacistReb
Not very serious, don't worry about it, just keep starting threads about Ole Miss, this never happened in the past.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:03 pm to PharmacistReb
You guys are missing the point.
Ole Miss had a great year by their standards. Heck, they even beat their biggest rival, on top of beating the team that won the national championship.
But stop and consider for a moment, Ole Miss Fan. What if there is another explanation to your relative success this season other than, "Ole Miss is a great team".
What if it was the state of the competition at the time of the competition?
Does anyone believe that Ole Miss would have beaten Florida again if they had played later in the year?
For that matter, does anyone believe that Ole Miss would have beaten an inspired, well-prepared, focused LSU team, had they played them again?
That's why I am not worried about all the starters that Ole Miss is bringing back. Because I, personally, am not sold that all those starters are from a legitimately dominant football team.
But I could be wrong.
We'll see in about 9 months.
Ole Miss had a great year by their standards. Heck, they even beat their biggest rival, on top of beating the team that won the national championship.
But stop and consider for a moment, Ole Miss Fan. What if there is another explanation to your relative success this season other than, "Ole Miss is a great team".
What if it was the state of the competition at the time of the competition?
Does anyone believe that Ole Miss would have beaten Florida again if they had played later in the year?
For that matter, does anyone believe that Ole Miss would have beaten an inspired, well-prepared, focused LSU team, had they played them again?
That's why I am not worried about all the starters that Ole Miss is bringing back. Because I, personally, am not sold that all those starters are from a legitimately dominant football team.
But I could be wrong.
We'll see in about 9 months.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:03 pm to PharmacistReb
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PharmacistReb
And people said they don't like you....Nice post.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:04 pm to mmjones87
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So what does that mean... Our season will be a failure if we don't make it to Atlanta next year? We need an 8 win season and we need to continue to build.
If you are picked to win it and don't its a disaster. See UGA..we won 10, finished in the Top 10..and it was a disaster, Richt's an idiot, etc.
Welcome to having expectations.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:06 pm to Tiger Phil
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Does anyone believe that Ole Miss would have beaten Florida again if they had played later in the year?
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For that matter, does anyone believe that Ole Miss would have beaten an inspired, well-prepared, focused LSU team, had they played them again?
That's not how the game works. It's one game. It's not paper, rock, scissors. It's not best two out of three. It's who can play the best for 60 minutes on the same field...that's it. So while you may have a relative argument, it's not really relative to football.
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Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:06 pm to PharmacistReb
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Plus LSU will probably have Reuben Randle. And we all know Reuben Randle could beat the Detroit Lions by himself.
Can't speak for your other posts, but this one was hilarious...
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:09 pm to MadRebel
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That's not how the game works. It's one game. It's not paper, rock, scissors. It's not best two out of three. It's who can play the best for 60 minutes on the same field...that's it. So while you may have a relative argument, it's not really relative to football.
You're absolutely right. And congratulations on defeating us last year. Well done.
But my point is that you guys are drawing what I feel is an incorrect conclusion from that victory. You think it is an indicator of big things to come next year. I think it is only a single game and doesn't indicate anything.
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Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:09 pm to dawgorama
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If you are picked to win it and don't its a disaster. See UGA..we won 10, finished in the Top 10..and it was a disaster, Richt's an idiot, etc.
Welcome to having expectations.
I don't think many will actually pick us to win the West. But yes, expectations are something we aren't used to dealing with.
Hopefully all the idiot "experts" and $8 preseason magazines will pick us 3rd in the West next year - we can play with a chip on our shoulder again - fine with me...
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:19 pm to Tiger Phil
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But my point is that you guys are drawing what I feel is an incorrect conclusion from that victory. You think it is an indicator of big things to come next year. I think it is only a single game and doesn't indicate anything.
For the most ordinary OM fan, we're all just really excited after this year. I mean we haven't been relevant in football in some time and it's nice to have this warm, fuzzy feeling again. I think for the most part you're just hearing the normal your team got beat by our team bull. And trust me, you will hear alot of smack from some people but in my eyes every team has these fans. Now I do feel we have a good indicator of good things to come and that's Snead. LSU fans know just as well as we do that a good QB makes the world go round. He has shown that he has what it takes in Year 1 in the SEC and the way he's excelled under Kent Austin has been pretty remarkable.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:25 pm to MadRebel
I would definitely agree that things look a lot better at this time this year than they did at this time last year for ya'll.
I just think that the top ten projections are too much.
I just think that the top ten projections are too much.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:39 pm to Tiger Phil
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I would definitely agree that things look a lot better at this time this year than they did at this time last year for ya'll.
I just think that the top ten projections are too much.
It think most of it is the "bump" effect.
For example, if yall lose to Ga Tech, most of your projections for next year are lower than I've seen. For an 8-5 team with only 1 win vs a team that finished top 25, I've seen yall in the Top 5 in many polls for some reason... if they are basing the poll on recruiting stars and physical talent, than so be it...
If we lose to TX Tech, we'd be preseason ranked around 20 or so, not 5-15 (like I've seen)
Preseason rankings in Jan. are just for fun, I won't take them too seriously... it'll be interesting where both teams wind up when the season starts
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:49 pm to PharmacistReb
Heard this same shite in 2006, 2004, 2002, etc...
All I'm saying is I've heard it before and never seen it. So I'll believe it when I see it.
All I'm saying is I've heard it before and never seen it. So I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:22 pm to The Ramp
Heard what same "shite" in 2002, 2004, and 2006?
I don't know many Ole Miss fans that thought Mike Spurlock and that thin Ole Miss team was going to do anything in 2004.
After the top 15 recruiting class in 2006, we were hoping for a 6 win season at most.
2002 I'm assuming was supposed to be Eli's breakout season. Again, we were thin with a lot of Cutt's talent.
You say you've heard this same "shite" in those years you listed but we weren't even ranked going into those season. We're getting national attention as a Top 10 team. It's certainly be a long time since we've gotten this much love. Unless you're like 80+ years old, you haven't heard this same "shite" anytime recently
I don't know many Ole Miss fans that thought Mike Spurlock and that thin Ole Miss team was going to do anything in 2004.
After the top 15 recruiting class in 2006, we were hoping for a 6 win season at most.
2002 I'm assuming was supposed to be Eli's breakout season. Again, we were thin with a lot of Cutt's talent.
You say you've heard this same "shite" in those years you listed but we weren't even ranked going into those season. We're getting national attention as a Top 10 team. It's certainly be a long time since we've gotten this much love. Unless you're like 80+ years old, you haven't heard this same "shite" anytime recently
Posted on 1/27/09 at 4:55 pm to The Ramp
I regard current state of Ole Miss as the "Texas Tech" of the SEC. A nice middle of the road team with a coupla nice players (Graham Harrell and Micheal Crabtree= Jevan Snead and Peria Jerry)but way short of having enough talent through the roster to compete at the top of their respective conferences much less the NC.
Just as TT had a nice early run and a big win or two, when it comes down to taking that next step...just not quite enough in the tank to take on the big boys.
There are always upsets in CFB, year in and year out. Every year there are teams that overachieve and those that underachieve.
But look at the end of the year results over the last 10 years or so. Where are the teams that rose up from their usual middle of the pack status and became a national power? When is the last time someone besides USC, Fla, Ohio St., OK, TX, Tenn, Miami, LSU made it to the NC game much less won one?
In my opinion the last team to rise from normal "also-ran" to NC caliber is.....LSU!! Nick Saban did us a huge favor in building up our facilities and getting us jump started towards national prominence and now all we have to do is to maintain our natural recruiting advantage in a talent rich area.
So in my mind the question is, is Ole Miss now poised to take that next step, just as LSU did starting in '01? Are all the necessary ingredients in place. There is always some up and down cycling in CFB. Miami, Fla St., AUB and Tenn are now down and there is room for a few teams to take their place.
I think Bama with Saban will take one of those open spots and I also think NC with Butch Davis has a great chance to step up with the big boys. I also think Tenn, with the recruiting and coaching talent they have aboard, and the natural advantage they have in facilities and tradition will be back in the saddle soon. But who else?
What "unique" advantages does Ole Miss have in place to enable them to take the next step and become a consistent contender?
Head coach with a proven track record of taking a historically middle of the pack team and remaking them? Nope.
Facilities that are better and more impressive than their main recruiting competitors in the SEC? Nope.
Huge stadium and attendance that generates above average finacial status than their SEC and national competition? Nope.
Tradition (one your average 18 year old recruit would be aware of) of winning championships, putting lots of players in the NFL or being on national TV a lot? Nope.
So lacking something unique to separate you from the rest of the pack, to enable Ole Miss to begin to recruit top flight players in the NUMBERS needed to compete for championships year in and year out...the chances for success is remote. Not impossible but very remote.
So no, an Ole Miss resurgence doesn't worry me, Alabama's resurgence is a much more real threat. They have the tradition, the facilities, the money, the coach and the ability to lure talent that will allow them to sustain themselves as the biggest threat to LSU's SEC west dominance.
Everyone here who has any resonable grasp of the state of CFB knows that either LSU or Bama will be the SEC west champs the next 5 years. History has shown that occasionally the stars will align and a team from the pack will sneak in for a "one hit wonder" (ark and miss st.)
I do think because of the current state of things on the plains that Ole Miss could supplant Aub as the third best team in the east. We shall see.
Just as TT had a nice early run and a big win or two, when it comes down to taking that next step...just not quite enough in the tank to take on the big boys.
There are always upsets in CFB, year in and year out. Every year there are teams that overachieve and those that underachieve.
But look at the end of the year results over the last 10 years or so. Where are the teams that rose up from their usual middle of the pack status and became a national power? When is the last time someone besides USC, Fla, Ohio St., OK, TX, Tenn, Miami, LSU made it to the NC game much less won one?
In my opinion the last team to rise from normal "also-ran" to NC caliber is.....LSU!! Nick Saban did us a huge favor in building up our facilities and getting us jump started towards national prominence and now all we have to do is to maintain our natural recruiting advantage in a talent rich area.
So in my mind the question is, is Ole Miss now poised to take that next step, just as LSU did starting in '01? Are all the necessary ingredients in place. There is always some up and down cycling in CFB. Miami, Fla St., AUB and Tenn are now down and there is room for a few teams to take their place.
I think Bama with Saban will take one of those open spots and I also think NC with Butch Davis has a great chance to step up with the big boys. I also think Tenn, with the recruiting and coaching talent they have aboard, and the natural advantage they have in facilities and tradition will be back in the saddle soon. But who else?
What "unique" advantages does Ole Miss have in place to enable them to take the next step and become a consistent contender?
Head coach with a proven track record of taking a historically middle of the pack team and remaking them? Nope.
Facilities that are better and more impressive than their main recruiting competitors in the SEC? Nope.
Huge stadium and attendance that generates above average finacial status than their SEC and national competition? Nope.
Tradition (one your average 18 year old recruit would be aware of) of winning championships, putting lots of players in the NFL or being on national TV a lot? Nope.
So lacking something unique to separate you from the rest of the pack, to enable Ole Miss to begin to recruit top flight players in the NUMBERS needed to compete for championships year in and year out...the chances for success is remote. Not impossible but very remote.
So no, an Ole Miss resurgence doesn't worry me, Alabama's resurgence is a much more real threat. They have the tradition, the facilities, the money, the coach and the ability to lure talent that will allow them to sustain themselves as the biggest threat to LSU's SEC west dominance.
Everyone here who has any resonable grasp of the state of CFB knows that either LSU or Bama will be the SEC west champs the next 5 years. History has shown that occasionally the stars will align and a team from the pack will sneak in for a "one hit wonder" (ark and miss st.)
I do think because of the current state of things on the plains that Ole Miss could supplant Aub as the third best team in the east. We shall see.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 5:17 pm to lsuexpert57
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I do think because of the current state of things on the plains that Ole Miss could supplant Aub as the third best team in the east
When did they transition Auburn and Ole Miss to the East?
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