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re: How many National Championships does Alabama really have?

Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:53 am to
Posted by jatebe
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:53 am to
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Technically the crystal balls are all the coaches trophies (AFCA) and one can rightfully be ordered for every #1 back to 1950.
Then Bama has 7 crystal balls.
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:53 am to
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the true glory of UA football (before it got turned into a youtube 'road to 15' vid) was making a Yankee game Southern, and and becoming a traveling roadshow 60 years before FSU and BSU were even heard of.

I agree with every bit of this.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:54 am to
The '20s and '30s were incredibly important for establishing Southern legitimacy. Before Bama came along and started getting Rose Bowl bids (and victories), Southern football was thought of as total bush league and unable to compete with the rest of the country.

And yeah, Bama's run in the 60s and 70s was absolutely incredible.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:54 am to
Right. From my understanding those can be ordered (from Ireland I think) with the blessing of the AFCA.
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:55 am to
Is Namath the Yankee gone Southern?
Posted by cyde
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:58 am to
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Before Bama came along and started getting Rose Bowl bids (and victories)

It's also worth noting that, during the time of those early Rose Bowl victories, the Rose Bowl was the only bowl game in CFB. At the point in time during which all this happened, it was the de facto metric of which team was the "best in the land." Aside from that, there really wasn't a "national championship" system.

As I mentioned, the game has undergone a lot of evolution over the last 90 years, and judging those teams, those games and their system by today's standards is intellectually dishonest.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:58 am to
Broadway Joe has his own universe.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:59 am to
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judging those teams, those games and their system by today's standards is intellectually dishonest.
Who is doing that?
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:59 am to
So explain the Yankee gone Southern please
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:00 am to
and though the players were much smaller and slower, the game was a lot more vicious than today.
Posted by cyde
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:00 am to
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Who is doing that?

I meant it in general terms. No one in this thread, specifically.

Posted by cyde
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:01 am to
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and though the players were much smaller and slower, the game was a lot more vicious than today.

Partially because the standards of protective gear were somewhat... lower, technology notwithstanding.

Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:03 am to
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So explain the Yankee gone Southern please

Actually you already said it. A Yale professor came here and taught it. The game was big up North then at West. This is where the best ball was played. Many Southern team never, or rarely traveled outside the region. Alabama did successfully and basically lifted the whole region up with them. Today the South is considered the primacy of this game.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:04 am to
The forward pass was adopted because too many players died
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1905 had been a bloody year on the gridiron; the Chicago Tribune reported 18 players had been killed and 159 seriously injured that season.[3] There were moves to abolish the game. But President Theodore Roosevelt personally intervened and demanded that the rules of the game be reformed. In a meeting of more than 60 schools in late 1905, the commitment was made to make the game safer. This meeting was the first step toward the establishment of what would become the NCAA and was followed by several sessions to work out "the new rules."[4] The final meeting of the Rules Committee tasked with reshaping the game was held on April 6, 1906, at which time the forward pass officially became a legal play.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:05 am to
I forgot which article I was reading but the origination of the rule forbidding strikng a player in the face with your fist was because....hitting the other guy in the mouth was normal.
This post was edited on 9/25/12 at 1:06 am
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:06 am to
Ok, I agree with you then. That's what I was trying to say.
Posted by cyde
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:07 am to
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18 players had been killed and 159 seriously injured that season.

Yeah, it was a rough game pre-forward pass.

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I forgot which article I was reading but the origination of the rule forbidding string a player in the face with your fist was because....hitting the other guy in the mouth was normal.

Thug POS.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:14 am to
A few years ago, when Notre Dame was considering adding names to players' jerseys, someone wrote an Op-ed decrying the decision because "football is a team sport. It is about how the team performs as a unit. Individuals should not be recognized." Etc etc.

Someone dug up an eerily similar Op-Ed from the early 1900s, except in this case he was talking about adding numbers to the jerseys, not names.
Posted by cyde
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:17 am to
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someone wrote an Op-ed decrying the decision because "football is a team sport. It is about how the team performs as a unit. Individuals should not be recognized." Etc etc.

Did the article decry individual player awards like the Heisman?
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:18 am to
Nope.
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