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re: Houston Nutt can't recruit
Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:05 pm to Latarian
Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:05 pm to Latarian
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Dude I am as sick of the Nutt talk from Arkansas fans as they next guy, the sole reason I left Hogville. I'm equally sick of the OM fans who claim to be tired of that same talk yet continually stir the pot with threads like that. I came to this site to get away from that bullshite.
Then why the hell are you posting on a tread that clearly identified the topic? That doesn’t' make a lot of sense.
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Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:06 pm to Choctaw Hog
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You need to define "recruit". Recruit as in initially get players on campus or recruit as in how many will be around after a year or two? Those are two very different things.
Yes. They are two completely different things.
The first is called recruiting. The second is called retention.
Which one do you think I want to know your opinion on?
Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:06 pm to Choctaw Hog
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Then why the hell are you posting on a tread that clearly identified the topic? That doesn’t' make a lot of sense.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:09 pm to inelishaitrust
False. He can recruit but not very well.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:13 pm to Alvin Knight
Arkansas doesn't put out many kids. It's going to be hard to recruit at Arkansas whether you are Nutt or Lombardi. That is just a fact. My issue with Nutt is that he didn't try too hard to recruit nationally. If you were the #57 kid in Arkansas, and 'loved the helmet', well come on down. Nevermind that your measurables and talent weren't there. I would imagine in Mississippi that isn't as big of a problem.
Here is a recent write up by Clint Alan that touches on what we're dealing with now, opposed to then. Yes, there are some jabs at Nutt crew in here, but I think an unbiased individual can see those jabs are fair.
"With 16 high school seniors already committed to play for the University of Arkansas, this class sets up to be one of the strongest of the Petrino era.
The Razorback coaching staff has gotten verbal commitments from 7 in state prospects for the 2011 class. All 7 of those rank in the top 10 prospects in the state. Not bad for the state of Arkansas, considering the Hogs only signed 4 in state players in the 2010 class.
To have success at Arkansas, the recruit map is going to have to extend well beyond the state of Arkansas, and even well beyond the southeast portion of the United States. The state of Arkansas just does not produce enough talent to support an SEC program. Previous staffs at Arkansas would offer anyone in state who were life long Razorback fans or who showed the desire to wear the uniform. It is hard to build quality depth, redshirt program, & championship teams when taking that approach.
From 2002-07, Arkansas signed a whopping 59 athletes from the state of Arkansas. An average of 9.83 in state kids per year in that 6 year range. Of those 59, 30 either had minimal contributions or left the program all together. That is just at a 50% success rate of in state players within that 6 year period.
As we move into the meat of the 2011 recruiting season, the Arkansas staff has plucked what it wants from within the state, and has now moved national. The staff seems to understand that to build a championship program at Arkansas, you must broaden your horizons. You must hit every corner of this nation to find the top talent that there is available.
What has held the Arkansas program back for so long? Why have the Razorbacks never been able to be a consistent winner & contender in the SEC West? It is simple; lack of recruiting on the national scene, and being too caught up in who has been a life long Razorback fan.
As I mentioned before, Arkansas currently has 16 commits for the 2011 class, of which 7 of those are from within our great states borders. Now, let's take a look at the rest.
Arkansas currently has 9 out of state commits, who are all from 9 different states. The Hogs currently have commits from the states of, Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Missouri, Alabama, Kansas(orig.OK), Illinois, Florida, & Oklahoma.
Astonishing right? What is even more unbelievable about the current staff are the athletes not yet committed, whom they are still chasing.
As of today, Arkansas has sent out 199 scholarship offers for the 2011 class. Of those 199 offers, only 9 are within the state of Arkansas. That means, 190 offers have been sent out nation wide by our staff. West Coast, East Coast, Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Midwest. You name it, there is a prospect in that area of the country with an Arkansas Razorback scholarship offer.
This staff gets it. They understand what it takes, and what it is going to take to sustain excellence at the University of Arkansas. They do not care who else may be recruiting a kid. They do not care if a prospect is an 11 hour drive, or a 4 hour plane ride away. The only thing this staff seems to care about is finding the best possible athletes available across the country and persuading them to come to Arkansas to be a part of something special.
When the dust has settled, and the letter of intents roll into the BAC in February, Arkansas fans should feel a sense of relief. Why? It is 2011, and Arkansas has a leader who knows what it is going to take to be successful here, and he is not going to let a few miles cloud his judgement on whether he wants a prospect or not."
LINK
Here is a recent write up by Clint Alan that touches on what we're dealing with now, opposed to then. Yes, there are some jabs at Nutt crew in here, but I think an unbiased individual can see those jabs are fair.
"With 16 high school seniors already committed to play for the University of Arkansas, this class sets up to be one of the strongest of the Petrino era.
The Razorback coaching staff has gotten verbal commitments from 7 in state prospects for the 2011 class. All 7 of those rank in the top 10 prospects in the state. Not bad for the state of Arkansas, considering the Hogs only signed 4 in state players in the 2010 class.
To have success at Arkansas, the recruit map is going to have to extend well beyond the state of Arkansas, and even well beyond the southeast portion of the United States. The state of Arkansas just does not produce enough talent to support an SEC program. Previous staffs at Arkansas would offer anyone in state who were life long Razorback fans or who showed the desire to wear the uniform. It is hard to build quality depth, redshirt program, & championship teams when taking that approach.
From 2002-07, Arkansas signed a whopping 59 athletes from the state of Arkansas. An average of 9.83 in state kids per year in that 6 year range. Of those 59, 30 either had minimal contributions or left the program all together. That is just at a 50% success rate of in state players within that 6 year period.
As we move into the meat of the 2011 recruiting season, the Arkansas staff has plucked what it wants from within the state, and has now moved national. The staff seems to understand that to build a championship program at Arkansas, you must broaden your horizons. You must hit every corner of this nation to find the top talent that there is available.
What has held the Arkansas program back for so long? Why have the Razorbacks never been able to be a consistent winner & contender in the SEC West? It is simple; lack of recruiting on the national scene, and being too caught up in who has been a life long Razorback fan.
As I mentioned before, Arkansas currently has 16 commits for the 2011 class, of which 7 of those are from within our great states borders. Now, let's take a look at the rest.
Arkansas currently has 9 out of state commits, who are all from 9 different states. The Hogs currently have commits from the states of, Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Missouri, Alabama, Kansas(orig.OK), Illinois, Florida, & Oklahoma.
Astonishing right? What is even more unbelievable about the current staff are the athletes not yet committed, whom they are still chasing.
As of today, Arkansas has sent out 199 scholarship offers for the 2011 class. Of those 199 offers, only 9 are within the state of Arkansas. That means, 190 offers have been sent out nation wide by our staff. West Coast, East Coast, Northeast, Southwest, Northwest, Midwest. You name it, there is a prospect in that area of the country with an Arkansas Razorback scholarship offer.
This staff gets it. They understand what it takes, and what it is going to take to sustain excellence at the University of Arkansas. They do not care who else may be recruiting a kid. They do not care if a prospect is an 11 hour drive, or a 4 hour plane ride away. The only thing this staff seems to care about is finding the best possible athletes available across the country and persuading them to come to Arkansas to be a part of something special.
When the dust has settled, and the letter of intents roll into the BAC in February, Arkansas fans should feel a sense of relief. Why? It is 2011, and Arkansas has a leader who knows what it is going to take to be successful here, and he is not going to let a few miles cloud his judgement on whether he wants a prospect or not."
LINK
This post was edited on 8/25/10 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:15 pm to Choctaw Hog
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Then why the hell are you posting on a tread that clearly identified the topic? That doesn’t' make a lot of sense.
this
Posted on 8/25/10 at 6:16 pm to Billy Mays
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this
hey it's one of the OM fans that bitches about Arkansas fans, shocking you're on this thread.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 7:00 pm to inelishaitrust
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Yes. They are two completely different things.
The first is called recruiting. The second is called retention.
Which one do you think I want to know your opinion on?
Recruit retention I would guess because that's really the only measurement that means anything. It's actually worse for a team to lose several highly rated players than to never have had them at all. It throws the number of players in each class out of balance and a team is constantly in scramble mode to catch up, i.e. Jr. College, Mid Term Grads, freshmen having to play before they are ready, etc. That’s why some teams have big swings from year to year.
To answer your question, it's too early to tell about Nutt at Ole Miss and Petrino at Arkansas. I'll wait to see what type of season both have this year and the following years to declare Nutt or Petrino can or cant’ recruit at their respective schools.
This post was edited on 8/25/10 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 8/25/10 at 7:31 pm to Latarian
shocking that he's on an Ole Miss thread?
Posted on 8/25/10 at 8:25 pm to woopiginaustin
That is a pretty good overview of what the program has gone through in the past, and what it is going through now.
Who is that guy?
Who is that guy?
Posted on 8/25/10 at 8:26 pm to Hawgeye
nvrmnd
I see it is Clint Alan from the Ugly Uncle show.
I see it is Clint Alan from the Ugly Uncle show.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 8:30 pm to Choctaw Hog
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Recruit retention
They aren't called recruits when theve already been here for a year. They are called players.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 8:30 pm to Hawgeye
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Houston Nutt can't recruit
When i saw this title, i knew i'd see some Arky fans in here.
But according to Rivals, OM is 10th and Arky is 23rd.
FWIW....
Nutt > Petrino in terms of recruiting so far.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 8:31 pm to inelishaitrust
true he can't
Posted on 8/25/10 at 10:51 pm to inelishaitrust
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They aren't called recruits when theve already been here for a year. They are called players.
Before they were players they were recruits. The retention of a high percentage of recruits/players is imperative if you want to keep your team from gyrating from good, to bad, to very bad, back to good, etc.
Posted on 8/25/10 at 10:55 pm to Choctaw Hog
Did this turn out to be Arky/Aubie pissing match or did it stay Arky/OM pissing match? 
not reading 8 pages of pissing matches.
not reading 8 pages of pissing matches.Posted on 8/25/10 at 10:57 pm to roadGator
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Did this turn out to be Arky/Aubie pissing match or did it stay Arky/OM pissing match? not reading 8 pages of pissing matches.
More Ole Miss/Arky than anything else.
Posted on 8/26/10 at 12:37 am to RebelNutt48
True he can recruit....
How he utilizes players and clock management leave something to be desired. Nutt's coaching was a roller coaster ride at Arky. Maybe he has learned a few things since leaving Arky. If he continues to have success at OM then all well and good.
Let the season begin in 9 days and maybe the bitching back and forth will come to an end.
P.S.
I hope we stomp a mudhole in OM's arse this year!
If we don't, then Nutt > Petrino
How he utilizes players and clock management leave something to be desired. Nutt's coaching was a roller coaster ride at Arky. Maybe he has learned a few things since leaving Arky. If he continues to have success at OM then all well and good.
Let the season begin in 9 days and maybe the bitching back and forth will come to an end.
P.S.
I hope we stomp a mudhole in OM's arse this year!
If we don't, then Nutt > Petrino
Posted on 8/26/10 at 12:40 am to ArHog
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Let the season begin in 9 days and maybe the bitching back and forth will come to an end.
Let's frickin hope
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