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re: Gurley or Lattimore

Posted on 12/12/12 at 4:53 pm to
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 4:53 pm to
I don't really know..frick it.
Posted by iliveinabox
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 4:53 pm to
I'd take latti
Posted by Broken Coyote
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 5:07 pm to
A healthy Lattimore is better than most SEC backs. Gurley is good, one of the tops playing now in the SEC, but Lattimore was better. His injuries are a damn shame.

With the absence of Lattimore in the SEC, I do think that Gurley is now the best back in the SEC, though Yeldon (UA) and Hill (LSU) will challenge stat-wise in 2013.
Posted by Donkeypunch
Georgia
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 5:07 pm to
Lattimore. From day one he has been the more physical back. Up the gut, batter defenders , and come back for more. Gurley seems to have Yeldon's style of bouncing it outside and getting into space when given the chance. Both have similar stats on paper but I think Latt made a lot of his yards by attrition against a stacked box due to no passing game. Other than 3rd and short Gurley never really faced a stacked box. Give me that physical battering ram style running back that wears down defenses.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 5:14 pm to
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but Lattimore was better


Not really when you look at their freshman seasons. Gurley with more yards on 50 less carries and a much higher YPC. Touchdowns were 1 apart.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 5:17 pm to
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Latt made a lot of his yards by attrition against a stacked box due to no passing game


Alshon Jeffrey = no passing game? He had 1,500 yards that year

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Give me that physical battering ram style running back that wears down defenses


I'm sure you didn't watch many UGA games this year, but I know you watched the bama/uga game. You don't think Gurley is physical? All the guy does is get tough frickin yards. 3,4,5 at a time, and most of his carries are up the middle. Marshall is more likely to take a sweep to the outside and use his speed to the edge but Gurley is our straight into the line runner.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:49 pm to
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I'm sorry but do some fricking research.
Gurley
vs Bama: 122 yards 2 TD's
vs Tenn: 130 yards 3 TD's
vs UF: 118 yards 1 TD
vs Vandy 130 yards 2 TD's

You clearly showed your bias in this discussion because you assumed stats and it made you look like a moron.

ETA: BOOM BITCH



During Lattimore's Freshman season he had better stats against Bama, UF and Tenn...I don't need your help making you look silly, thanks.

ETA: Was that your argument blowing up?
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:51 pm to
Hershel
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:52 pm to
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So Gurley had more yards on 50 (FIFTY) less carries, and only 1 less touchdown. Not to mention Gurley still has another game left to play. Gurley also averaged 6.3 yards per carry to Latt's 4.8, that's a pretty big disparity. Latt has the edge in receptions, but that's not really part of Gurley's game. He did, however, have a KO return for a TD.


Lattimore had more total yards, b/c he's a more complete back. He catches better than Gurley.

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How do you figure? Gurley was unquestionably our #1 and got the bulk of the carries all season


Yeah, Gurley was your #1, but Lattimore was our #1 his Freshman year and didn't split as many carries. Gurley and Marshall and split a lot of carries.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:58 pm to
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what in the frick does this have to do with who's the better running back as a freshman


Team leadership, intangibles of a player. Has Gurley helped land any recruits? Who? Also, the original question wasn't about being a RB, it was about who you would rather have going into their 2nd season.

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So you picked one game to compare stat lines, why is that? You realize Gurley and Latt weren't personally running against each other right?


Showing how they did against each other their freshman seasons. Lattimore dominated, Gurley did not. U Mad? Pick 2 and compare, I like comparing how my freshman RB did against your team, if you don't, ok.

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UT: 24 carries for 130 yards and 3 TDs
UF: 27 for 118 and 1 TD (only back to go over 100 against UF)
Bama (#1 D in the country): 23 for 122 yards and 2 touchdowns

I'd say those are pretty good yes?


Sweet, I already pointed out earlier that Lattimore's stats were better against those three opponents his freshman year. He had more yards and/or TD's.
Posted by Glory, Glory
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:58 pm to
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He catches better than Gurley.




Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:00 pm to
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Lattimore over his career has basically been in perma-beastmode, but the thread was just about their freshman years. And as CIYE posted their stats a few posts above, you can clearly see there isn't a whole lot of difference, with Gurley pretty much having the overall edge.


You're delusional. Lattimore had more yards, more TD's, recruited better players, and had bigger games against the "best" competition. Just look up their stats on espn and compare.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:03 pm to
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Because Lattimore's God-like running abilities forced defenses to put 13 in the box.


Only when we played Tenn. LSU and USC are going to miss Derek Dooley...but maybe not, Butch could screw that up too.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:05 pm to
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Glory, Glory


Catching balls out of the backfield is a plus for an RB and really helps make him an every down back. I don't have time to explain football to you, please keep up.
Posted by JayKrewe
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:07 pm to
are you serious?
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:09 pm to
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CockInYourEar


You're obsessed. Now go run to your South Carolina board and tell everyone how you roasted the Dawg fans. I see you haven't changed from your DawgRant days, but at least you're consistent. frick it, go full retard and blow this thread up.
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
4498 posts
Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:11 pm to
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Catching balls out of the backfield is a plus for an RB and really helps make him an every down back. I don't have time to explain football to you, please keep up.


The irony is thick
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 8:12 pm to


Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:07 pm to
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Showing how they did against each other their freshman seasons. Lattimore dominated, Gurley did not. U Mad? Pick 2 and compare, I like comparing how my freshman RB did against your team, if you don't, ok.


It's worthwhile to consider but not a good measuring stick as it's not like they were playing against the same defense... common opponents would be the better "measuring stick" though even that fails given the time discrepancy. Your initial argument that Gurley racked up his stats in meaningless games was shown to be false... that was the intent of showing those stats, not as the yardstick to measure the backs ability.

FWIW, if I could ABSOLUTELY throw away the propensity for injury, I would lean towards Lattimore by a small margin. Part of it may be reverse bias. I watched games where Lattimore beast moded over a UGA defense and made them look soft. I've never been on the receiving end of Gurley's beast runs. The problem is that I cannot ignore injuries or at least likelihood of injury. Even without the knowledge of what has happened to Lattimore, the sheer volume of carries and their running styles would lead me to think Lattimore is an injury risk. Earlier posters have mentioned it but his frame is just not quite where you want it, especially with reducing weight to possibly spare the knees.

If I'm only looking at stats, however, I'd say that Gurley's YPC speaks for itself. On 50 fewer carries, he racked up more yards and 1 less touchdown. Lattimore's receiving yards are nice but we don't really utilize Gurley for that so it's not really a fair comparison. It has less to do with him not being able to and more to do with how we attempt to get KM involved in the offense as well. If we didn't, we'd likely be in the same position you guys have been in, with a RB who makes it about 75% of the season and flat out can't hold up... the pounding they take in the SEC makes it near impossible to run a single back anymore. Even if you can, it's not in the best interest of the runner if they would eventually like to take their talents to the NFL where they can actually get paid. IMO it's irresponsible of a program to do what USCe has done to Lattimore.

<eta> Yeah Yeah... TL. DR. DGIF...
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 9:09 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 9:08 pm to
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Yeldon
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