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re: fumble or not?
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:34 pm to DawgNation2012
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:34 pm to DawgNation2012
Fumble without question. Feel bad for Tenn and that player, but that's 100000000 percent a fumble.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:35 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Look at this and tell me where the tip of the ball is when he loses his grip on the ball
It'd be nice if you used an angle actually going down the goal line, and one where we can see his carrying hand. None of which apply to the gif you posted.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:35 pm to Brageous
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Fumble without question. Feel bad for Tenn and that player, but that's 100000000 percent a fumble.
When did the player lose control, in your opinion?
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:35 pm to DawgNation2012
dear GOD can we move on from this game?
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:36 pm to WG_Dawg
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It'd be nice if you used an angle actually going down the goal line, and one where we can see his carrying hand. None of which apply to the gif you posted.
agreed. it was clearly not indisputable.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:37 pm to WG_Dawg
Does it look like he has possession of this ball? It's pointing sideways, and his wrist is visible. The only way he's possessing the ball is if he has 5 fingers in a cone shape holding the cone end of the ball, which we obviously know he didn't based on what happened the rest of the play.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:38 pm to WG_Dawg
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It'd be nice if you used an angle actually going down the goal line, and one where we can see his carrying hand. None of which apply to the gif you posted.
I wish I had it, but based on video available, there is no indisputable evidence that he fumbled prior to crossing the plane, which is the standard. If a TD is called on the field, it should have stood.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:38 pm to Tennessee Jed
Wow - that gif is telling - dunno how the hell it was overturned with absolutely indisputable evidence if that's the best shot they had.
This post was edited on 10/7/13 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:39 pm to Bassmanbruno
Was without a doubt a fumble.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:40 pm to WG_Dawg
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Does it look like he has possession of this ball? It's pointing sideways, and his wrist is visible. The only way he's possessing the ball is if he has 5 fingers in a cone shape holding the cone end of the ball, which we obviously know he didn't based on what happened the rest of the play.
There is NO WAY you can tell with certainty from that photo that his hand is not holding the ball, which is "disputable" video evidence, not indisputable.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:41 pm to KaiserSoze99
Ignore WG, he either doesn't understand the rule, or he's trying like hell to troll you.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:41 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Was without a doubt a fumble.
Without a doubt, he dropped the ball, but when and is that indisputable video evidence?
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:45 pm to KaiserSoze99
He may still be touching it at/very near the goaline, but he's lost control/possession of the ball.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:47 pm to Thunder Tiger
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He may still be touching it at/very near the goaline, but he's lost control/possession of the ball.
When do you think he lost control of the ball? I see him extend the ball with his left hand, while still in control. The ball breaks the plane while he is still in control. He loses control after the ball hits what appears to be the pylon. Either way, you can't tell when he loses control based on that GIF alone, which means the ruling on the field should stand. If you want to show me a different angle, i will reconsider. Otherwise, TD Tennessee.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:52 pm to KaiserSoze99
touching the tips of your fingers is not possession/control of the ball
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:55 pm to NYCAuburn
He's not merely touching the ball...he's holding the ball.
Two. Different. Things.
Two. Different. Things.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:57 pm to DawgNation2012
Yes, it was a fumble. Ball just kept going right out of his hand. Some coaches really coach hard against players sticking that ball out to try and cross the goal line.
But, the Vol player was selling out to try and get the OT score. Can't blame him for taking his shot at it.
Great effort by Tenn. I enjoyed watching that game.
But, the Vol player was selling out to try and get the OT score. Can't blame him for taking his shot at it.
Great effort by Tenn. I enjoyed watching that game.
Posted on 10/7/13 at 3:57 pm to KaiserSoze99
It's hard to tell exactly where on that gif, but the ball begins tumbling out of his hand prior to the ball crossing the goaline. Again, IMO he's still touching it, but he's no longer controlling it.
The speed of this gif may be deceiving; seemed to me both the full speed and slowed speed replays during the game more clearly showed a loss of control.
The speed of this gif may be deceiving; seemed to me both the full speed and slowed speed replays during the game more clearly showed a loss of control.
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