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re: FSU in SEC?
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:10 pm to roadGator
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:10 pm to roadGator
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The FL TV market is handled by UF. Will any FSU bowl appearances be enough to offset the the money they receive from the SEC? Maybe, maybe not. At this point in history they are no better than Clemson (excluding their great run from 8 years ago).
I know they will be seriously considered but would they be without what the Big 11 is doing?
you have to consider them because of their national Q rating and potential television ratings. You can put FSU and Miami or FSU and Florida or FSU and Alabama on television and generate enormous ratings.
Now do the ratings they would bring in translate into enough money to justify splitting it up more ways? That's the question
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:10 pm to molsusports
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FSU and Alabama on television and generate enormous ratings.
What did the ratings look like when those 2 played a couple of years ago?
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:12 pm to heartbreakTiger
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lulz if butch doesn't go to the browns da U wins back to back titles
Fact remains he couldn't win all the games with basically the same team (2000) as Coker had (2001).
So Coker did what Davis couldn't do.
Coker's downfall wasn't his ability to coach on game days, it was inability to spot talent coming out of HS, his inability to lock down South Florida, and his inability to instill toughness in his team.
But the guy could coach a game, that much is for sure.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:12 pm to theGarnetWay
no idea off the top of my head
the ratings for miami/fsu lately have been way better than you'd expect given how far those two programs have fallen in the last 8 seasons
the ratings for miami/fsu lately have been way better than you'd expect given how far those two programs have fallen in the last 8 seasons
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:13 pm to roadGator
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Why should the SEC fund FSU when they don't bring anything back to the table?
I agree with you, actually. I don't think FSU brings anything to the table that UF doesn't already bring.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:13 pm to molsusports
I think that the popularity of the tradition of the school will make or break this decision.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:16 pm to molsusports
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FSU and Miami
Can't even sell out their own stadiums for this game.
I'm quite certain that CA and NY couldn't care less about these two currently mediocre programs. Could it change??? Perhaps. That's the gamble the SEC will have to take.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:19 pm to roadGator
stadium attendance is what the individual teams worry about to line their own pockets
television revenue is what the conference worries about
television revenue is what the conference worries about
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:22 pm to stapuffmarshy
quote:I agree with the OP that said you have to expand your TV markets. You don't do that by adding schools from states you already have in the SEC. I would rather see Va Tech(east) and Oklahoma(West) get asked to come in. That would add 2 good teams (one to each division) and expand the geography of the SEC...
If it's two, FSU and Ga Tech/Miami make most sense.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:23 pm to TxTiger82
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Florida State fits geographically and culturally, but they do not add any market that Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, and Florida don't already have on lockdown.
I say we can find a team that does expand our TV market, like Miami.
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:25 pm to piggidyphish
FSU and Miami had their chances when they were still good, but they wanted the easy road so let them frickers suffer. If they do come I will love them getting their asses handed to them by real teams in a real conference.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:30 pm to theGarnetWay
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Wouldn't every vote have to be unanimous?
I believe so? Thus Texas or ATM would never be allowed, as Ark and LSU vote no(if not also more SEC schools), also no to Okla and Okie St. Ky wouldn't want Louisville in. USCe veto Clem. Tenn veto Memphis St. Fla veto FSU, Mia. or USF. Etc..
Texas doesn't want to join the SEC anyway.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:31 pm to molsusports
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stadium attendance is what the individual teams worry about to line their own pockets television revenue is what the conference worries about
Agreed, FSU vs. SC doesn't add anything that UF vs. doesn't already have.
They are not quite the natural fit that some would like to believe.
FSU vs Aub - will that bring ratings that we don't have already?
How about FSU vs. Arky? How will that compete with other matchups?
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:33 pm to roadGator
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This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:35 pm to roadGator
Bring em on.
Florida shouldnt have that whole state to themselves recruiting wise anyway.
Florida shouldnt have that whole state to themselves recruiting wise anyway.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:38 pm to roadGator
You Gator fans are spinning hard. You all know, that despite being former shells of themselves, even with young tv viewing kids out there coming of age, that have never seen a dominant Miami or FSU team in their adult lives..that both schools still draw many a curious eye on tv.
Just as does Mich, Neb, PSU, UCLA,etc..programs that have lost their former lusters.
Just as does Mich, Neb, PSU, UCLA,etc..programs that have lost their former lusters.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:38 pm to roadGator
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Agreed, FSU vs. SC doesn't add anything that UF vs. doesn't already have.
That's not quite true - actually I think it's pretty much wrong. NFL fans watch more than one team and that helps their television revenue. Similarly college fans who watch more than one program generate revenue for whoever runs the broadcasts and gets paid.
There is a legitimate amount of interest in watching games with FSU in them. Especially certain matchups (like FSU/Miami, FSU/Florida, FSU/Alabama. Those games would generate big numbers on television and the SEC would benefit by being able to pitch that to ESPN etc
So there's reason to consider them. But the question for FSU (or any other team you add) is how much do they add to teh SEC? Is it worth splitting the pie more ways?
That's the harder question to answer
Posted on 5/14/10 at 3:07 pm to molsusports
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There is a legitimate amount of interest in watching games with FSU in them.
This is really just an opinion without rating numbers.
In time maybe FSU vs. OM would be a great draw but I doubt it. UF vs. OM is not a great draw so why would FSU be any different.
The biggest issue is that you wouldn't play the other side but once every 6-8 years. That sucks.
FSU can kiss my arse FTR.
Posted on 5/14/10 at 3:19 pm to roadGator
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There is a legitimate amount of interest in watching games with FSU in them.
This is really just an opinion without rating numbers.
The numbers for FSU/Miami games lately are way better than they should be given how mediocre the two programs are atm. That probably tells you they have good Q ratings and there is interest in those matchups esp... Miami has an even better case than FSU when you go back and look at their ratings on ESPN - they are the most common team on their list of all time highest rated games
if teh SEC expands to 16 teams it's almost going to be two separate conferences with a CCG. It would mean 8 team divisions and only one game between the two divisions with an 8 game conference schedule
I assume that they will do some sort of rotating inter divisional setup rather than fixed opponents but dunno
The heavily hyped games would be games between say Florida, UGA, FSU, and Miami... and those teams would all be in the same division and play every year
Posted on 5/14/10 at 4:09 pm to molsusports
actually, getting FSU aqcuires the Miami tv market, so adding both the Noles and Canes would be overkill.
FSU may be in the north end of the state, but a huge portion of their alumni base is in south florida.
FSU may be in the north end of the state, but a huge portion of their alumni base is in south florida.
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