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Former SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer not a fan of the 12-team CFP recommendation

Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:34 am
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Tony Barnhart -- When it comes to post-season college football, former SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer remains one of the sport’s greatest visionaries.

It was Kramer who discovered a little-known codicil in the NCAA by-laws that would allow conferences to split into divisions in order to play a league championship game.

So shortly after he took over as SEC Commissioner in 1990, the 10-team conference added South Carolina and Arkansas. On Dec. 5, 1992 the first SEC championship football game was played at Legion Field in Birmingham. Today all 10 FBS conferences have a championship game.

It was Kramer who thought that there was a better way to determine college football’s national title than a series of polls that would crown multiple champions. Thus the Bowl Championship Series (BCS), which would use a formula of human polls and computer polls to determine the nation’s two top teams, was born. After the 1998 season Tennessee beat Florida State 23-16 for the first BCS national championship in Tempe, Ariz.

In some seasons the controversy over the top two teams was enormous. Controversy, Kramer said at the time, was not a bad thing.

“The idea is to have people talking about college football, even if they aren’t happy,” Kramer said.

Fans fussed and cussed about the BCS for 16 seasons (1998-2013). But the reality is that it took college football, which had always been a regional sport, and turned it into a national sport. Fans in the South began staying up late and watching West Coast games because the outcome could impact the BCS standings and ultimately their team’s ability to get into the national championship game.

Kramer retired as SEC commissioner in 2002 and was replaced by Mike Slive, who served until 2015. Today Greg Sankey serves as commissioner.

Despite his retirement, Kramer has remained a strong voice in college football. He expressed some concern when college football went to a four-team playoff for the 2014 season. In an interview with the Tennessean newspaper of Nashville, Kramer was afraid that a four-team playoff would negatively impact college football regular season.

“The regular season is so important; that’s the backbone of what it’s (college football) about,” Kramer told the newspaper.

Today Kramer, now 91, lives in the tiny East Tennessee town of Vonore, in a home overlooking Tellico Lake. His beloved wife, Sara Jo, passed away in 2013.

Last week Kramer watched with interest when a four-person working group of the College Football Playoff presented a recommendation to expand its field from four to 12 teams.

So I called the former athletics director at Vanderbilt (1978-90) and Division II national championship coach at Central Michigan (1974) to get his take on the 12-team playoff, which could go into effect as early as 2023.

Let’s just say that Commissioner Kramer is not a fan.

“Why in the world are we going to 12 teams?” asked Kramer, who is a member of both the Tennessee and the Alabama Halls of Fame. “You certainly don’t need 12 teams. The purpose of any kind of playoff is to determine a champion. You don’t need 12 teams to do that.”

Kramer said he was concerned about the additional games that the 12-team playoff could require of the players. The top four seeds in the playoff get a bye in the first round. But if a team seeded 5 through 12 wins the national championship it could play as many as 17 games. That’s two more games than the champion currently plays.

“What you’re doing is just adding games,” said Kramer. “We’ve got enough issues now with player participation.”

Kramer said he understands the pressure created by the fact that there are five power conferences and only four playoff slots available. A power five conference is going to get left out every season.

In fact, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said last week that he did not fully appreciate the stigma of a conference being left out of the playoffs, which his conference has been three times in seven years.

“Nobody ever said automatic qualifying should be part of the playoff process,” said Kramer. “All you’re saying (with the 12-team playoff) is that if we don’t have access, we’re not any good.”

Ultimately, said Kramer, he is concerned about the impact a 12-team playoff will have on college football’s regular season, which is best in all of sports.

Others argue that the 12-team playoff will actually make more games meaningful at the end of the regular season because more teams will be competing for one of the six at-large berths.

Color Kramer skeptical.

“We’ll still have a great game,” said Kramer. “But we need to realize that this is college sports.”

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Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:38 am to
tldr


subtract one Poster of the Week award from your mantel
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:39 am to
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Ultimately, said Kramer, he is concerned about the impact a 12-team playoff will have on college football’s regular season, which is best in all of sports.

Others argue that the 12-team playoff will actually make more games meaningful at the end of the regular season because more teams will be competing for one of the six at-large berths.



Ultimately, it will come down to how competitive the playoff is.

If all expanding does is give Alabama, Ohio State, etc. more mulligans, it will not be a positive.

If teams 5-12 are just playing to get demolished in the next round, people won’t care about just making a playoff.
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:41 am to
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subtract one Poster of the Week award from your mantel

Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:42 am to
It all comes down to money. That is all that matters.

Not only will your team need to be very good but you're going to need a lot of injury luck to get that big ole trophy.
Posted by MoarKilometers
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:43 am to
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It all comes down to money.

And how to redistribute it.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:44 am to
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If all expanding does is give Alabama, Ohio State, etc. more mulligans, it will not be a positive.

Even in the FCS tournament of 24 teams, something like 21 of the 40 tournaments have resulted in one of the top two seeds going on to win the championship, and North Dakota State has won eight of the last nine.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:45 am to
2.5
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:46 am to
The BCS payout was down 45 million this year (cv19)

LINK

The College Football Playoff felt the financial pinch of the COVID pandemic, according to a report in the Sports Business Journal.

A week after a new CFP proposal would expand the field to 12, revenue distribution from the College Football Playoff was down $44.6 million hit in 2020-21, a 9.2 percent downturn from record revenue the year before, per the report.

Ticket sales due to capacity restraints, lack of hospitality and merchandise were all factors for the dip in revenue.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 10:47 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:46 am to
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Kramer said he was concerned about the additional games that the 12-team playoff could require of the players.


But it’s ok for highschool and all other divisions of college football.

Eta
There are some legit concerns about the regular season not mattering, but the player safety angle is bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 10:47 am
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:48 am to
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But it’s ok for highschool and all other divisions of college football
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The FCS playoff field of 24 is split into two different qualifiers: 10 automatic and 14 at-large.

The automatic qualifiers are the teams that win one of the 10 conferences that receive automatic bids. The at-large qualifiers are selected by the FCS Playoff Selection Committee.

Once the full field of 24 teams is completed, the committee seeds the top eight teams.

The seeded teams receive a first-round bye in the tournament. The remaining 16 teams play first-round games and are paired according to geographic proximity and then placed in the bracket according to geographic proximity to the top eight seeds.

Teams cannot travel more than 400 miles via ground, and teams from the same conference that played each other during the regular season will not be paired for first-round games.

I was also concerned about total number of games, but it looks like higher-seeded teams typically play a 12-game regular season, with four games in the playoffs (or only 16 games total).
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:50 am to
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2.5

As you wish.

HRV giveth and HRV taketh away
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:55 am to
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It all comes down to money. That is all that matters.



Roy Kramer talking about needless games played, unbelievable. The guy invented SECCG and couldn't figure out how to actually get the 2 best teams to play each other. Talk about a money grab.

The Conference Championships are tits on a bull. The 12 team playoff would only be following a long-held tradition.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:59 am to
Giving Bama, Ohio St, Clemson, and the other usual suspects in the playoffs a mulligan is about all this will do. And in a few years they will expand this thing again until they completely destroy the best regular season in sports.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:59 am to
I guess Phil Fulmer is still coming buy each week to cut Roy's grass.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:01 am to
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couldn't figure out how to actually get the 2 best teams to play each other

You mean the BCS? I actually didn't have a big problem with it.

I think they just needed to open up their algorithms for scrutiny and adjustment, but chose not to.

It mostly sort of confirms "eye-test" rankings anyway, but has an interesting way of revealing over-performing teams that might not otherwise get noticed.

I would be curious to see a larger playoff field selected by the BCS formula, without regard to conference auto-bids or affiliation. That is, if there are five SEC teams in a field of 12 (because they're the best teams), so be it.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:06 am to
I agree with him. I'd hate to see regular season games late in the year become even more meaningless. While there probably are too many bowls, a lot of them are the only opportunity many teams have to have their programs showcased.

I could see an expansion of maybe two more teams and the top two having a bye,but I don't like this. At the very least maybe some of the non NY6 bowls can have more regional matchups than conference tie-ins.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:14 am to
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While there probably are too many bowls, a lot of them are the only opportunity many teams have to have their programs showcased.

I don't understand (well, I do - money) why they are wrapping this 12-team recommendation into the bowls to begin with.

Why not keep it a separate entity, and let the other 110+ teams play in bowls?

I guess the "Granddaddy" is afraid of being devalued?
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:17 am to
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Ultimately, it will come down to how competitive the playoff is.


Not really. Teams could get beat by 60. They would be like we need more teams because team 13 would have only got beaten by 30
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:17 am to
With the automatic tie in to the Big10 and PAC 12 the Grandaddy has been devalued for years.
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