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Posted on 6/30/09 at 5:03 pm to cajunjj
Brantley is good...no Tebow but bettar than average major college QB. We will reload. Look at USC...one elite QB after another.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 5:25 pm to G8Rdan
UF will field the best team in the SEC in 2010. There will be a slight decline due to the departures of Tebow, Spikes, Dunlap, and Hernandez, but the defense will still be absolutely loaded, all the running backs will return, likely the entire offensive line, most of the receivers, and Brantley will have had three years in the system.
Fans of other SEC schools are deluding themselves if they believe they only have to contend with a juggernaut UF team for one more year.
Fans of other SEC schools are deluding themselves if they believe they only have to contend with a juggernaut UF team for one more year.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 5:46 pm to HarnessedInSlums
Didn't Cam transfer to UT? If so, the QB situations for the top 3 in the east will be VERY interesting in 2010 with Brantly at UF, Logan Gray/Aaron Murray at UGA, and Newton (I guess?) all being first year starters at their respective schools.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 6:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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Didn't Cam transfer to UT? If so, the QB situations for the top 3 in the east will be VERY interesting in 2010 with Brantly at UF, Logan Gray/Aaron Murray at UGA, and Newton (I guess?) all being first year starters at their respective schools.
But brantly will be a Junior I believe, which should give him quite the experience edge over the other two.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 6:47 pm to AesopsGators
Not really, as Gray will be a redshirt junior in 2010. He has already seen the field as a punt returner this past year and will have some special packages designed for him this year, similar to what Tebow had with Leak in 06. The real question is if he'll be able to hold off Murray. But I wouldn't give Brantley a huge nod in experience over Gray though.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 9:22 pm to WG_Dawg
If Tennessee doesn't beat Florida next year in Knoxville after Tebow's gone...Then they'll never beat 'em.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 9:46 pm to UTVolCountry
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UF will field the best team in the SEC in 2010. There will be a slight decline due to the departures of Tebow, Spikes, Dunlap, and Hernandez, but the defense will still be absolutely loaded, all the running backs will return, likely the entire offensive line, most of the receivers, and Brantley will have had three years in the system.
Fans of other SEC schools are deluding themselves if they believe they only have to contend with a juggernaut UF team for one more year.
Slight decline? Sorry buddy, I know UF is loaded, but you're deluding yourself if you think this is true. No one doubts UF's talent, but you can't lose all those great players/leaders and not have a drop off. And I think if UF wins the title again this year, MOST of the JR's will declare.
I agree with the other poster. Bama and LSU will be heavy favorites in the SEC in 2010. UF may well win the east, but I'm betting they aren't in the hunt again till 2011.
FWIW- I also think Arky will be very dangerous in 2010, and Ole Miss is borderline depending on whether Snead declares.
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Posted on 7/2/09 at 12:13 am to SerenityNow
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No one doubts UF's talent, but you can't lose all those great players/leaders and not have a drop off. And I think if UF wins the title again this year, MOST of the JR's will declare.
You're in for a rude awakening. When UF dropkicks LSU by 25+ in Gainesville during the 2010 season I'll be sure to dredge this post up and remind of our huge drop off.
Posted on 7/2/09 at 8:55 am to HarnessedInSlums
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You're in for a rude awakening. When UF dropkicks LSU by 25+ in Gainesville during the 2010 season I'll be sure to dredge this post up and remind of our huge drop off.
Okay buddy. Nothing like good old fashioned homerism. I'm sorry dude, but did you not fricking pay attention to 2007? You know, when you replaced most of your defense? And it was Tebow's first full year? Take off your orange and blue glasses for one minute and just be a little rational here.
I'll make sure to bring up this post the day Meyer bolts for ND and you're bitching and moaning.
PS- Why do I get the feeling this is you in the video?
WAH! WAH! WAH!
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Posted on 7/2/09 at 2:10 pm to SerenityNow
The problem with your argument is UF is not losing their entire defense for 2010 like they did in 2007. In 2010, UF will probably replace six or less starters, and the guys behind those starters are just as good.
I'd venture to say Meyer recruited two of the best recruiting classes in college football history in 2006 and 2007, and both classes suffered relatively light attrition. 2010 is the year they will all be either redshirt or true seniors.
For example, the secondary will be absolutely frightening.
CB: Joe Haden, senior. Likely won't go pro after this year with his little brother coming in as a freshman in 2010. Considered a sure-fire first round pick and one of the best three cover corners in the nation for 2009.
CB: Janoris Jenkins, junior. By 2010 he will be a three-year starter. In 2008 he was Florida's best ever freshman corner, and has all the tools to be a top-10 draft pick. Even as a freshman, people avoided throwing to his side of the field.
S: Major Wright, senior. A big-play safety who by 2010 will be a four-year starter. Notable as a big hitter and outstanding run-stopper. Doesn't have great speed, but seems to get himself into position well. Will make an NFL roster.
S: Ahmad Black, senior. Another three-year starter in the secondary who does nothing but make big plays. Made game-changing interception in BCS Championship game. Fantastic in coverage and fast recovery time. Another NFL-quality player.
S: Will Hill, junior. This guy would start at EVERY other program in the nation. As a freshman he was all over the field when he saw time. Was a 5-star, national top-10 recruit in high school. By 2010, will likely be on the field for most plays. NFL first round type of talent.
LB: A.J. Jones, redshirt senior. A solid linebacker who makes plays. Good speed and great against the run. Multiple years of experience.
LB: Lorenzo Edwards, senior. Another solid linebacker who has been waiting for his turn. Multi-year backup who has provided excellent relief for starters in front of him. By 2010, he will be seasoned and ready to go.
LB: Brandon Hicks, senior. Big-play linebacker who quietly puts himself into position on every play.
LB: Jon Bostic, sophomore. By all accounts the surprise of the 2009 UF recruiting class. Was an absolute terror during spring practices and impressed Meyer enough to declare him a starter as a freshman. Will likely replace Spikes in the middle of the UF defense.
LB: Jelani Jenkins, sophomore. Freak linebacker with coverage speed. Smart and instinctual. Plays sideline to sideline with outstanding lateral pursuit ability. Top-10 high school recruit.
LB: Brendan Beal, sophomore. Big, strong linebacker who will play close to the line on running plays. Motor never quits. Another five-star linebacker who will fight for playing time, maybe at defensive end.
DL: Justin Trattou, senior. Heavily-experienced rush end that is versatile and strong enough to play inside. Fantastic in pursuit of the quarterback and rarely out of position. Excellent lineman.
DL: Earl Okine, redshirt sophomore. Mammoth defensive end in the mold of Carlos Dunlap. UF coaching staff is very high on him. NFL size and speed.
DL: Jaye Howard, redshirt junior. Listed as a defensive end, but will likely play inside. Very strong, active, and moves well. Will be fighting for significant minutes by 2010.
DL: Lawrence March, redshirt senior. A steady, 300-pound run stuffer who just does his job. Multiple years of experience. Will land on an NFL roster.
DL: Terron Sanders, redshirt senior. Another 300-pound run stuffer. Creates piles at the LOS and never seems to get moved backward. Solid. Potential NFL talent.
DL: Omar Hunter, redshirt sophomore. Began stepping it up this past spring. Will likely challenge for playing time. Perfect nose tackle candidate who collapses pocket consistently. Freak strength. Moves well. If he stays healthy he has NFL written all over him.
These are just the guys who will likely start most of the games. Some of the backups I didn't list are nearly as good.
Do you see all the juniors and seniors?
Do you see all the guys who will have big-game experience?
Do you see all the speed?
This is a very atypical roster. It's being ignored because the 2009 roster looks so compelling. The truth is, the 2010 defense, with the senior/junior led secondary is probably going to be better than the 2009 defense, which will still be relatively young.
This is not a team LSU will be able to beat in Gainesville in 2010. Not with a guy at quarterback whose bread and butter is a reliance on his legs. UF's defense will simply dominate that type of offense.
I'd venture to say Meyer recruited two of the best recruiting classes in college football history in 2006 and 2007, and both classes suffered relatively light attrition. 2010 is the year they will all be either redshirt or true seniors.
For example, the secondary will be absolutely frightening.
CB: Joe Haden, senior. Likely won't go pro after this year with his little brother coming in as a freshman in 2010. Considered a sure-fire first round pick and one of the best three cover corners in the nation for 2009.
CB: Janoris Jenkins, junior. By 2010 he will be a three-year starter. In 2008 he was Florida's best ever freshman corner, and has all the tools to be a top-10 draft pick. Even as a freshman, people avoided throwing to his side of the field.
S: Major Wright, senior. A big-play safety who by 2010 will be a four-year starter. Notable as a big hitter and outstanding run-stopper. Doesn't have great speed, but seems to get himself into position well. Will make an NFL roster.
S: Ahmad Black, senior. Another three-year starter in the secondary who does nothing but make big plays. Made game-changing interception in BCS Championship game. Fantastic in coverage and fast recovery time. Another NFL-quality player.
S: Will Hill, junior. This guy would start at EVERY other program in the nation. As a freshman he was all over the field when he saw time. Was a 5-star, national top-10 recruit in high school. By 2010, will likely be on the field for most plays. NFL first round type of talent.
LB: A.J. Jones, redshirt senior. A solid linebacker who makes plays. Good speed and great against the run. Multiple years of experience.
LB: Lorenzo Edwards, senior. Another solid linebacker who has been waiting for his turn. Multi-year backup who has provided excellent relief for starters in front of him. By 2010, he will be seasoned and ready to go.
LB: Brandon Hicks, senior. Big-play linebacker who quietly puts himself into position on every play.
LB: Jon Bostic, sophomore. By all accounts the surprise of the 2009 UF recruiting class. Was an absolute terror during spring practices and impressed Meyer enough to declare him a starter as a freshman. Will likely replace Spikes in the middle of the UF defense.
LB: Jelani Jenkins, sophomore. Freak linebacker with coverage speed. Smart and instinctual. Plays sideline to sideline with outstanding lateral pursuit ability. Top-10 high school recruit.
LB: Brendan Beal, sophomore. Big, strong linebacker who will play close to the line on running plays. Motor never quits. Another five-star linebacker who will fight for playing time, maybe at defensive end.
DL: Justin Trattou, senior. Heavily-experienced rush end that is versatile and strong enough to play inside. Fantastic in pursuit of the quarterback and rarely out of position. Excellent lineman.
DL: Earl Okine, redshirt sophomore. Mammoth defensive end in the mold of Carlos Dunlap. UF coaching staff is very high on him. NFL size and speed.
DL: Jaye Howard, redshirt junior. Listed as a defensive end, but will likely play inside. Very strong, active, and moves well. Will be fighting for significant minutes by 2010.
DL: Lawrence March, redshirt senior. A steady, 300-pound run stuffer who just does his job. Multiple years of experience. Will land on an NFL roster.
DL: Terron Sanders, redshirt senior. Another 300-pound run stuffer. Creates piles at the LOS and never seems to get moved backward. Solid. Potential NFL talent.
DL: Omar Hunter, redshirt sophomore. Began stepping it up this past spring. Will likely challenge for playing time. Perfect nose tackle candidate who collapses pocket consistently. Freak strength. Moves well. If he stays healthy he has NFL written all over him.
These are just the guys who will likely start most of the games. Some of the backups I didn't list are nearly as good.
Do you see all the juniors and seniors?
Do you see all the guys who will have big-game experience?
Do you see all the speed?
This is a very atypical roster. It's being ignored because the 2009 roster looks so compelling. The truth is, the 2010 defense, with the senior/junior led secondary is probably going to be better than the 2009 defense, which will still be relatively young.
This is not a team LSU will be able to beat in Gainesville in 2010. Not with a guy at quarterback whose bread and butter is a reliance on his legs. UF's defense will simply dominate that type of offense.
Posted on 7/2/09 at 2:24 pm to HarnessedInSlums
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Not with a guy at quarterback whose bread and butter is a reliance on his legs
FALSE my friend. Jefferson, despite his running ability, is a pro style QB. He was known for his passing coming out of Destrehan. Our offense will look like it did in 2007 more than likely with Flynn and Perrilloux except it will be Jefferson/Shepard.
Like I said- I'm not doubting UF's talent. But you act like LSU hasn't recruited anyone over the last few years. I'm not going to go into all the talent LSU has at its disposal.
But again- you're either just plain arrogant and a total homer or naive to think UF is going to skullfrick LSU like it did last year. By the way, that game was close into the third quarter before all hell broke loose. And going off history, prior to last year, when was the last time UF did that to LSU? You have to go back to earlier this decade.
What's absolutely astonishing to me is how UF fans want it both ways- you all want everyone to recognize Tebow as a God, yet don't want to acknowledge that losing him will hurt b/c the backup looks good in mop up duty and spring practice.
Sorry man. But I'm not buying it.
Posted on 7/2/09 at 3:03 pm to SerenityNow
I don't think Tebow is a God, nor do I buy all the talk about him being "best ever" at this or that. He's a great quarterback with some relatively uncommon talents (FB running style, fiery leadership, amazing play improvisation).
LSU has recruited well, but the important classes - the classes LSU needed to be stay even with UF - didn't materialize in 2006 and 2007. They were uneven classes with a little too much attrition. The 2008 and 2009 classes look like they might be very good, but it is too early to declare they will be able to grow up enough to match UF's legendary 2006 and 2007 classes.
You don't have to buy what I'm telling you. You wouldn't have bought it before last year's game and you won't buy it before this year's game. In your mind, LSU is right behind UF, just a year away. But the truth is you should prepare yourself for at least two more years of uncompetitive beatings and hope UF recruiting falls apart for one or two years. The gap is that big.
And I'm not a homer. I just call it like I see it. Florida hit the recruiting jackpot between 2006 and 2008. They got lucky in qualifying their players, in the number who panned out, and in the small number of transfers and busts. Even some of the lowly-ranked players that Florida fans lamented signing turned out to be all-stars (Brandon James and Ahmad Black, for instance). UF is on an uncommon sort of run evidenced by title runs in 2 out of 3 years, and likely 3 out of 4.
I'm actually doing you guys a favor by telling you this. Instead of getting your hopes up based on faulty information, I'm actually giving it to you straight, so you can keep your expectations in check. It is painful as a fan to believe the hype and then find your team losing game the pundits say they shouldn't be losing. That's going to be the LSU fan's experience against Florida for at least the next few years.
LSU has recruited well, but the important classes - the classes LSU needed to be stay even with UF - didn't materialize in 2006 and 2007. They were uneven classes with a little too much attrition. The 2008 and 2009 classes look like they might be very good, but it is too early to declare they will be able to grow up enough to match UF's legendary 2006 and 2007 classes.
You don't have to buy what I'm telling you. You wouldn't have bought it before last year's game and you won't buy it before this year's game. In your mind, LSU is right behind UF, just a year away. But the truth is you should prepare yourself for at least two more years of uncompetitive beatings and hope UF recruiting falls apart for one or two years. The gap is that big.
And I'm not a homer. I just call it like I see it. Florida hit the recruiting jackpot between 2006 and 2008. They got lucky in qualifying their players, in the number who panned out, and in the small number of transfers and busts. Even some of the lowly-ranked players that Florida fans lamented signing turned out to be all-stars (Brandon James and Ahmad Black, for instance). UF is on an uncommon sort of run evidenced by title runs in 2 out of 3 years, and likely 3 out of 4.
I'm actually doing you guys a favor by telling you this. Instead of getting your hopes up based on faulty information, I'm actually giving it to you straight, so you can keep your expectations in check. It is painful as a fan to believe the hype and then find your team losing game the pundits say they shouldn't be losing. That's going to be the LSU fan's experience against Florida for at least the next few years.
Posted on 7/2/09 at 3:06 pm to G8Rdan
Tebow deserves every accolade that gets thrown at him.
Not only has he LIVED UP TO THE HYPE, he has DELIVERED on so many levels it's unbelieveable.
If all the press was out West, we would collectively want to know WTF our Conference stud Tebow wasn't beling lauded for his accomplishments, character, and talents.
He IS the man.
Not only has he LIVED UP TO THE HYPE, he has DELIVERED on so many levels it's unbelieveable.
If all the press was out West, we would collectively want to know WTF our Conference stud Tebow wasn't beling lauded for his accomplishments, character, and talents.
He IS the man.
Posted on 7/2/09 at 3:33 pm to mobiletide
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I just feel that if you win 2 national titles in 3 years, you should be the one pulling in the top recruiting class every year
Ummm
2006-#2
2007-#1
2008-#3
2009-#11 *only signed 16 players*
What more do you want?
Posted on 7/2/09 at 5:16 pm to AesopsGators
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You don't have to buy what I'm telling you. You wouldn't have bought it before last year's game and you won't buy it before this year's game. In your mind, LSU is right behind UF, just a year away. But the truth is you should prepare yourself for at least two more years of uncompetitive beatings and hope UF recruiting falls apart for one or two years. The gap is that big.
I'm going to keep this post in my back pocket and bring it back up after the game this year. IMO, you all will win. But I believe the margin of victory will be 10 pts or so.
And I'm sorry- and please fans of other schools chime in here- the talent gap is not that big. Most of the so called recruiting "experts" almost always say LSU has as much talent as anyone in the country.
The reality is UF more than anything-even more than winning National Titles- is benefiting from Miami and FSU being down. Every school goes through their cycles, and UF is certainly on an upswing. But things can change quickly, as evidenced by Miami's fall from grace.
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