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re: Dual threat QB. Pendulum shifting?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 5:52 pm to PeleofAnalytics
Posted on 1/7/25 at 5:52 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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He had 57 carries for 205 yards with a 3.6 YPC (a 3rd of that total being on his run vs Auburn). Are you arguing that 10 rushing TDs makes Stetson a "dual threat QB"
Yes. 10 tds is a lot for a qb. He was clearly a threat with his legs. Also consider how those stats are artificially deflated due to the dominance of that team.
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 5:53 pm to 3down10
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A true dual threat QB is a guy who can run the wildcat with near the same type of success as a passing game.
Disagree. That’s just one style of a dual threat. Most teams don’t use such a system. I do think burrow would have been very good in that kind of offense though.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 6:12 pm to djsdawg
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Disagree. That’s just one style of a dual threat. Most teams don’t use such a system. I do think burrow would have been very good in that kind of offense though.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 6:14 pm to djsdawg
To say that Stetson was a dual threat bc he had 10 rushing TDs discounts what guys like Manziel and Cam did. They are not the same class of QB.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 6:49 pm to Bamafig
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To say that Stetson was a dual threat bc he had 10 rushing TDs discounts what guys like Manziel and Cam did. They are not the same class of QB.
I am not discounting what either of those guys did. It’s not either/or. Both were elite dual threats. Stetson was an underrated dual threat with artificially deflated stats.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 6:53 pm to 3down10
Even a stoned slater would consider burrow at lsu a dual threat.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:04 pm to 3down10
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You know why Burrow is able to get those yards? Because of his passing game.
Yes, thats the duality that makes him so hard to defend.
With a dual threat, focus on his pass, and he runs for a key first down, while a non dual threat would just take the sack, throw it away, and punt.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:32 pm to 3down10
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The majority of those are pass first QBs
But they're dual threat. Which is what we're all taking about here.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:34 pm to JayAg
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A QB that is elusive is still game breaking
are you talking about jonny football?
Go back and look at the offensive line that kid had.
Jonny football was good, but damn that O'line was special.
and the previous coach recruited them.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:36 pm to 1loyalbamafan
Bryce Young was elusive, burrow was elusive, and tens of others these past years. why do Bama fans think Johnny was the only elusive QB?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:38 pm to 3down10
Retconning "dual threat" to mean "run first" instead of just admitting you're wrong is some impressive stubbornness.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:49 pm to JayAg
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Bryce Young was elusive, burrow was elusive, and tens of others these past years. why do Bama fans think Johnny was the only elusive QB?
Its just that one Bama guy, and there is a UGA guy who was also saying weird things about dual threats last week.
I thought it was a simple subject without much to debate, but not on this board.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:53 pm to jonnyanony
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Retconning "dual threat" to mean "run first" instead of just admitting you're wrong is some impressive stubbornness.
As I said, I guess Joe Burrow just missed out on being a "dual threat" QB by 1 yard in 2018 and less than 40 in 2019 by your loose standards.
It's not about being run first at all. If they aren't capable of running the offense from wildcat or something similiar without passing, they aren't a dual threat QB. It's not complicated. There are QBs like Vince Young, Michael Vick and Cam Newton that could do those things. I call those kinds of players dual threat - provided they can also throw the ball, which those guys could.
I think your definition of what makes someone a "dual threat" a joke.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:04 pm to 3down10
You are correct. Some people think words should escape meaning apparently.
If a dual threat cannot a throw then he is not a dual threat. It's madness that part is debatable.
Simply leaking for a scramble here or there is not much of a threat. That's just taking what the defense gives.
If a dual threat cannot a throw then he is not a dual threat. It's madness that part is debatable.
Simply leaking for a scramble here or there is not much of a threat. That's just taking what the defense gives.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:06 pm to 3down10
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There are QBs like Vince Young, Michael Vick and Cam Newton that could do those things.
Two of those guys are in the list. Tim Tebow is also pass first but not dual threat? Deshaun Watson because "he got his yards on scrambles not designed runs" like that means something? Jalen Hurts because ... reasons?
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I think your definition of what makes someone a "dual threat" a joke
Please invest in a mirror.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:11 pm to 3down10
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Joe Burrow just missed out on being a "dual threat" QB by 1 yard in 2018 and less than 40 in 2019 by your loose standards.
Its a loose standard, which means its reasonable to grant him an exception.
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If they aren't capable of running the offense from wildcat or something similiar without passing, they aren't a dual threat QB.
Irrelevant hypothetical as almost no teams run this kind of offense. What matters is what they do in the actual offense they play in.
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I think your definition of what makes someone a "dual threat" a joke.
Its how most reasonable football people view it.
The meaning of the words are simple and to the point.
Dual = 2
Threat = can hurt an opponent
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:21 pm to djsdawg
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Its how most reasonable football people view it.
Watson would say it's because he's white.
I would say it's how the people on TV hype shite up and people like you who never question the shite they are told eat it up.
Usually it's a label placed on kids that can run the ball and also have a little bit of arm. And it was to that effect in which I stated they don't win NC.
All you are doing is mostly using the scrambling yards of other QBs to claim they are dual threat to debunk it. But Joe Burrow isn't doing the kinds of things Milroe was doing, he's not capable of it. And at the same time Milroe is completely incapable of making the throws Joe Burrow makes. So while "reasonable" people call Milroe a dual threat, I also don't think he is a dual threat either. And Milroe falls into the category most people call DT, aka running QBs.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:36 pm to 3down10
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Watson would say it's because he's white.
Race is irrelevant. We are talking about QB's ability to hurt a team with BOTH their arm and legs.
One can be a run threat on scrambles and/or designed run calls, but its really those scrambles that can be back breaking, which means its a legit threat.
A non dual threat isnt going to be good at either scrambles or designed runs, which is why they aren't dual threat.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:42 pm to djsdawg
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Race is irrelevant. We are talking about QB's ability to hurt a team with BOTH their arm and legs.
One can be a run threat on scrambles and/or designed run calls, but its really those scrambles that can be back breaking, which means its a legit threat.
A non dual threat isnt going to be good at either scrambles or designed runs, which is why they aren't dual threat.
I watched Greg McElroy pick up a 1st down against Florida in the 2009 SECCG running down the sideline. I even have a Daniel Moore that was given to me as a gift of it.
Scrambles aren't a sign of a dual threat.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:46 pm to Bamafig
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Perhaps a running offense gives their D more rest and more time of possession leading to better defense stats
This. Not saying Texas' defense isn't good, but ASU had 510 yards of offense and they were playing against the refs as well.
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