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Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:30 pm to jonnyanony
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Didn't think I had to considering this is a college football board
What kind of stupid shite is that?
Let's just not post anything then.
I mean you gonna name people like Deshaun Watson who is more of just a threat to run the ball on a scramble than he is an actual dual threat QB. In reality, he's a pass first QB.
And maybe you'll include Hurts, who was benched in favor of a pass first QB.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:40 pm to 3down10
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What kind of stupid shite is that?
Expecting college football fans to know college football?
I'm feeling generous, though, so here, I'll spoon feed you:
List of running QBs on championship teams, last 20 years
Cam Newton: 1,473
Vince Young: 1,050
J.T. Barrett: 938
Jalen Hurts: 855
Tim Tebow: 773
Deshaun Watson: 629
I got tired of looking here because obviously the idea that running QBs can win games but not championships is moronic on its face.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:40 pm to UFMatt
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What if the NCAA banned the shotgun snap. Mandating all snaps had to be taken under center. What would that do to the game?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:40 pm to 3down10
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I mean you gonna name people like Deshaun Watson who is more of just a threat to run the ball on a scramble than he is an actual dual threat QB. In reality, he's a pass first QB.
And maybe you'll include Hurts, who was benched in favor of a pass first QB.
Oh man I just knew the caveats were going to start coming
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:41 pm to jonnyanony
"Generally can win games but not championships."
lists like 35% of the last winning QBs that were running QBs
"those don't count because ..."
lists like 35% of the last winning QBs that were running QBs
"those don't count because ..."
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:47 pm to 3down10
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I mean you gonna name people like Deshaun Watson who is more of just a threat to run the ball on a scramble than he is an actual dual threat QB. In reality, he's a pass first QB.
Watson was a dual threat qb who passed first. Most dual threats are like that.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:53 pm to jonnyanony
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"Generally can win games but not championships."
lists like 35% of the last winning QBs that were running QBs
"those don't count because ..."
The majority of those are pass first QBs. They didn't win games or championships with their legs. They could scrambled and get out of situations. So I guess by your standard dual threat just means a guy who can run fast on a scramble.
Which is funny because that's exactly why one of the people on your list hates being called a dual threat QB.
Jalen Hurts was getting shut down in the NC game and was benched, yet you include him.
If your point was as solid as you claim, why do you need such loose standards? Hell yeah I'm going to point it out, cry more.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:54 pm to djsdawg
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Watson was a dual threat qb who passed first. Most dual threats are like that.
Tell him because he hates being called that.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:56 pm to 3down10
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Tell him because he hates being called that.
Irrelevant. He should have quit running if he didn’t want people to notice his running.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:57 pm to Bamafig
Other things are driving it as well.
Not enough talent on one team for spread to be as effective.
DB's getting better at coverage.
QB's not developing because not enough WR talent.
Coaches still under pressure despite the crapshoot nature of cfb now.
Coaches going back to ball control offense.
Another Nick Saban emerges and dominates.
Another Malzahn and Riley show up and frustrates the Sabans.
As someone mentioned it all goes in cycles.
Not enough talent on one team for spread to be as effective.
DB's getting better at coverage.
QB's not developing because not enough WR talent.
Coaches still under pressure despite the crapshoot nature of cfb now.
Coaches going back to ball control offense.
Another Nick Saban emerges and dominates.
Another Malzahn and Riley show up and frustrates the Sabans.
As someone mentioned it all goes in cycles.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:00 pm to jonnyanony
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8 of the last 20 championship QBs had 400+ rushing yards in that year
What about the past 10? It is a thread about pendulum swinging. 400 yard threshold really hasn't been met recently
I went through this quick so forgive me if i missed one.
JJ McCarthy - Nope
Stetson twice - Nope
Mac Jones - frick No
Joe Burrow - Nope
Trevor Lawrence - Not that year. He ran a lot the next year.
Jalen Hurts... Losing the game and then Tua the passer won it. He didn't even hit 400 rushing yards in his whole career
Watson - Here is your winner
Larry Coker - frick no
Cardale Jones - Push only started 11 games in his career but was never considered the swiftest of guys.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:08 pm to djsdawg
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Irrelevant. He should have quit running if he didn’t want people to notice his running.
So the definition of a dual threat QB is just a QB who can run fast.
Seems silly to me.
I guess Joe Burrow was just a yard short of being a dual threat QB in 2018 since had only 399 yards. And I guess the 368 he had in 2019 also not enough.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:10 pm to 3down10
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So the definition of a dual threat QB is just a QB who can run fast.
You have to be good at running. It takes more than being fast to be good at it.
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guess Joe Burrow was just a yard short of being a dual threat QB in 2018 since had only 399 yards. And I guess the 368 he had in 2019 also not enough.
His running was a legit weapon, and he used it well when he had to.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:13 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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Stetson twice - Nope
10 Rushing tds in 2022
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:17 pm to djsdawg
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His running was a legit weapon, and he used it well when he had to.
Then why isn't he considered a dual threat QB?
On the one hand I think you have to be a good passer before you can be a true dual threat. On the other hand, you also have to be a good rusher and the majority of these guys are just taken opportunities with pass rush breakdowns etc.
Just great scramblers IMO.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:22 pm to 3down10
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Then why isn't he considered a dual threat QB?
He probably should have been. Dude ran all over the place.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:34 pm to 3down10
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Just great scramblers IMO.
That’s half of what makes a qb a dual threat. What’s the other half?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:39 pm to djsdawg
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That’s half of what makes a qb a dual threat. What’s the other half?
No.
A true dual threat QB is a guy who can run the wildcat with near the same type of success as a passing game.
You know why Burrow is able to get those yards? Because of his passing game. If he had no passing game, is he going to go out there and score points with his legs? No. Could someone like Michael Vick, Vince Young or Cam Newton do that? Probably.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 4:42 pm to djsdawg
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10 Rushing tds in 2022
He had 57 carries for 205 yards with a 3.6 YPC (a 3rd of that total being on his run vs Auburn). Are you arguing that 10 rushing TDs makes Stetson a "dual threat QB"?
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