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Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:39 am to CGSC Lobotomy
The Citadel graduates use to have an option to take a commission with any of the branches upon graduation. If they turned it down then they would later have to go thru another Commissioning program . Do not know if that is still the case.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:13 pm to Go Down Moses
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Here's a fun fact: about 1/3rd of the people in the Aggie marching band don't play their instrument.
That might have been the case 40 years ago, but not when I went through 20 years ago and not today.
Only 15 individuals in the 387 member block march without playing: The three drum majors and the 12 bugle rank members.
For your statement to be a statement of fact, you would have to provide proof that at least 129 members of the Aggie Band don't play their instruments, which you can't.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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The Citadel graduates use to have an option to take a commission with any of the branches upon graduation. If they turned it down then they would later have to go thru another Commissioning program . Do not know if that is still the case.
That may be the case, but it is not legally possible for 100% of their cadets to commission through ROTC. Each school is capped by the respective branches for how many can commission in a given year.
Three types of Commissions: Service Academy, ROTC, OCS. Each service is given a force strength for a Fiscal Year that caps the number of O1s can be added. The Service Academy numbers are typically constant at 1,000, although those have decreased starting in 2018 (West point was capped at a freshman class size of 733 IIRC). ROTC caps nationwide are typically 3000-4000 with another 1000-2000 OCS. Service Academy and OCS commissions are almost exclusively active duty while ROTC populates the Reserve and Guard forces in addition to Active Duty.
Of that 3-4k nationwide ROTC cap, that is spread out across EVERY ROTC program.
Using my commissioning group from A&M, between the December, May and August commissioning ceremonies, A&M Army ROTC commissioned 61 Second Lieutenants, or about 2% of the nationwide total. Over 3/4 were Active Duty.
For those wanting to chime in, "but what about a Direct Commission?" Those are unit-based and almost always Guard and Reserve.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:38 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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That may be the case, but it is not legally possible for 100% of their cadets to commission through ROTC. Each school is capped by the respective branches for how many can commission in a given year.
Three types of Commissions: Service Academy, ROTC, OCS. Each service is given a force strength for a Fiscal Year that caps the number of O1s can be added. The Service Academy numbers are typically constant at 1,000, although those have decreased starting in 2018 (West point was capped at a freshman class size of 733 IIRC). ROTC caps nationwide are typically 3000-4000 with another 1000-2000 OCS. Service Academy and OCS commissions are almost exclusively active duty while ROTC populates the Reserve and Guard forces in addition to Active Duty.
Of that 3-4k nationwide ROTC cap, that is spread out across EVERY ROTC program.
Using my commissioning group from A&M, between the December, May and August commissioning ceremonies, A&M Army ROTC commissioned 61 Second Lieutenants, or about 2% of the nationwide total. Over 3/4 were Active Duty.
For those wanting to chime in, "but what about a Direct Commission?" Those are unit-based and almost always Guard and Reserve.
They have to apply to the individual branches prior to graduation, so they know those numbers. You also left off another source of Commissioning and it is thru the Jr College System. I think there were 5 Programs that Commissioned Officers after two years. I know NMMI and Marion Military Institute were two of them. Not sure who still has that status.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:45 pm to Irons Puppet
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You also left off another source of Commissioning and it is thru the Jr College System.
I left that one off because it's almost an offshoot of the OCS requirements in that an officer commissioning through one of those programs must earn a Baccalaureate Degree prior to pinning O3 to maintain the commission.
You got two of the four Military Junior Colleges:
NMMI
Marion Military Institute
Georgia Military College
Valley Forge Military Academy
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:47 pm to 3morereps
Do they have military affiliation?
Not after my boy Kellen Mond gets through with em. Stay strong, Kel Kel!
Not after my boy Kellen Mond gets through with em. Stay strong, Kel Kel!
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:50 pm to America1776
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Not after my boy Kellen Mond gets through with em. Stay strong, Kel Kel!
The Corps of Cadets will not be disbanded based on the ill-informed opinion of an individual that has never set foot in that area of campus and won't even be affiliated with the university a year from now.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:00 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
It is not an offshoot. Graduates receive the rights and privileges immediately and do not have to wait for graduation from a 4 year school. They do have a time limit to earn a 4 year degree. It is a separate source of Commissioning.
The Army at one time did not require its Officers to have a 4 year degree. That is when these programs were established. The Navy still has Mustangs and the Army still has the Warrant Officer program.
The Army at one time did not require its Officers to have a 4 year degree. That is when these programs were established. The Navy still has Mustangs and the Army still has the Warrant Officer program.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:05 pm to Irons Puppet
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They do have a time limit to earn a 4 year degree. It is a separate source of Commissioning.
24 months while OCS graduates had 48.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:10 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I was thinking it was the other way around . Based on the time constraints from 01 to 03, and the requirements to be branch qualified.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:12 pm to Irons Puppet
O1-O3 is between 42-60 months depending on service branch, but the regulations that dictate the Early Commissioning Program (Junior Colleges) explicitly state that those officers have 24 months to earn their Baccalaureate.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:23 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
That is a recent change, because it use to be upon graduation of Office Advance Course and being Branch Qualified.
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