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re: Comparison: Max Johnson vs JT Daniels vs Bryce Young

Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:43 am to
Posted by MoarKilometers
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 8:43 am to
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Bryce young, Muggsy Bogues of NCAA

Crazy he's already won more titles than Muggsy ever did.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 8:44 am
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:16 am to
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won title



*
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:16 pm to
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When?

In 2018? You know....when Fromm played and Fields didn't?


Here are the recruiting classes leading up to that year:
Ohio State UGA
2014: 3 8
2015: 7 6
2016: 4 6
2017: 2 3
2018: 2 1

Close. Very close, but the edge has to go to Ohio State. So, with Ohio State having a more talented roster, why do you think Georgia or Ohio State would have done any differently? Then when you add to the fact that those rankings would have shown Justin Fields on Georgia and he actually played for Ohio State, then OSU gets the clear advantage, right?
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:21 pm to
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As for the Fields verses Fromm argument....what did Fields do that Fromm didn't do in college?


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Fields in 22 games at Ohio State:
- 78 TDs
- Heisman finalist
- 1st round pick

Fromm in 43 games at UGAy:
- 78 TDs
- 5th round pick


It doesn't surprise me that you missed the entire point the conversation was about. The poster indicated that we (UGA) would have done much better if we had only had Fields as our QB. Yet, with Fromm Georgia did as well if not better than OSU with Fields. Fields added very little value.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:28 pm to
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Daniels is above average because on the field he is above average? Are y’all really so used to Fromm fricking up that a competent qb makes it appear to be a heisman trophy winner?

I didn't realize that a QB was either "above average" or a Heisman Trophy winner. Now thta I know what your criteria is, then I guess I can agree with you. Daniel probably won't be the Heisman Trophy winner. yet, in LSU fans minds, the GOAT QB was considered below average until 2019. (Just using your criteria, because Burrow may have been considered average.)

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And Fields may be better because his stats were better in every category when he started perhaps. Yeah no way Fields would’ve put Georgia in a better spot in 2019 when they legitimately couldn’t score more than 24 points offensively against any good team on their schedule.
And yet with better talent around him he did nothing that Fromm did not do as far as success.....well, I do tend to think of football as a team sport, so I look at what the team did.

By the way...Fromm kept Georgia closer to Alabama than Fields kept a superior Ohio State team to Alabama.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:32 pm to
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In 2018? You know....when Fromm played and Fields didn't?



I'm not sure that was the argument. I believe the other posters were insinuating that had Fields been allowed to play in 18, he would've helped Georgia take the next step in 19 or 20.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:34 pm to
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By the way...Fromm kept Georgia closer to Alabama than Fields kept a superior Ohio State team to Alabama. 



Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:05 pm to
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The poster indicated that we (UGA) would have done much better if we had only had Fields as our QB. Yet, with Fromm Georgia did as well if not better than OSU with Fields. Fields added very little value.

- If you had Fields in the 2019 SECCG instead of Fromm (who to quote the UGAy fan that was sitting behind me "Looked like a peewee QB") you might not have lost by 30!

- If you have Fields this year you might not lose to Florida and U of *

- Fields had better numbers in half the games

- Fields was a Top 12 pick

Posted by TwoDatBait
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:09 pm to
Same amount as a starter…???
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60632 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:21 pm to
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By the way...Fromm kept Georgia closer to Alabama than Fields kept a superior Ohio State team to Alabama.


The scores in the National Championship game?
I forgot to spell everything out.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:22 pm to
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The scores in the National Championship game?
I forgot to spell everything out


Those were two different Alabama teams, 2020 was quite a bit better than 2017.

Not sure how that actually means anything
Posted by CID 310
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:23 pm to
Young has something Johnson will never get.

A national title ring.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60632 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:25 pm to
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- If you had Fields in the 2019 SECCG instead of Fromm (who to quote the UGAy fan that was sitting behind me "Looked like a peewee QB") you might not have lost by 30!


If we had not been missing our top 3-4 receivers we would not have gotten beat by 30. Regardless, LSU had a great team and we still would have lost.

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- If you have Fields this year you might not lose to Florida and U of *

Are you going to just speculate to try to make a point, or are you just playing pretend? I mean, if...if...if.... We can say if we had Fields all of your "ifs" would have been worse, too. How are either of us going to prove it?

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- Fields was a Top 12 pick
Congrats. I would rather win while they are in college, and fact is, that Fromm did everything that Fields did on the college football field as far as wins and losses are concerned. I mean...isn't that what it is all about?
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60632 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:27 pm to
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Those were two different Alabama teams, 2020 was quite a bit better than 2017.

Not sure how that actually means anything


Maybe. I mean...what? You say so, so it must be true? "The 2017 version would have beaten the 2020 team even worse than the 2020 team!" Either of us can say whatever we want. And neither of us can prove or disprove what was said.
Posted by Crimsonite94
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:28 pm to
Ok THIS one was funny. Nice job Willie.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61105 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:58 pm to
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Maybe. I mean...what? You say so, so it must be true? "The 2017 version would have beaten the 2020 team even worse than the 2020 team!" Either of us can say whatever we want. And neither of us can prove or disprove what was said.






Be honest, you eat crayons and lick windows don't you?


Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 2:09 pm to
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If we had not been missing our top 3-4 receivers we would not have gotten beat by 30. Regardless, LSU had a great team and we still would have lost.

quote:

Are you going to just speculate to try to make a point, or are you just playing pretend? I mean, if...if...if.... We can say if we had Fields all of your "ifs" would have been worse, too. How are either of us going to prove it?

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Congrats. I would rather win while they are in college, and fact is, that Fromm did everything that Fields did on the college football field as far as wins and losses are concerned. I mean...isn't that what it is all about?

Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60632 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 3:56 pm to
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Be honest, you eat crayons and lick windows don't you?


Ah! You want to make assumptions and "what ifs" and if everybody doesn't jump on board to agree with you....well, I guess you can make ad hominem attacks.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61105 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:00 pm to
Muh Fromm kept 2017 Georgia closer to 2017 Alabama than Justin Fields kept 2020 Ohio State to 2020 Alabama.

Thus Fromm is just as good as Fields.

That's some shite you literally just typed out with a straight face.

Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60632 posts
Posted on 8/3/21 at 4:01 pm to
In other words you know you were doing nothing but speculating and cannot bring yourself to admit that. It seems to be a trait of a lot of LSU fans to say something that is totally made up and expect everybody to accept it.

"If you had had Fields in 2019 you wouldn't have gotten beat by 30 points!" Yuck yuck!

Never mind that Ohio State with Fields got beat by 30+ by Alabama in 2020. So, are you saying 2020 Alabama was better than 2019 LSU? Because it sure sounds like it.
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