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re: College football dynasties
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:18 am to Western_tiger
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:18 am to Western_tiger
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lsu in mid 2000s would have been up there if not for bama
Georgia could say the same since 2017. Hell, we'd probably have 3 more since 2012.
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:22 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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within a span of 7 years
What an odd arbitrary timeframe.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 9:15 am to jonnyanony
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What an odd arbitrary timeframe.
What's yours?
Posted on 12/17/24 at 9:32 am to Violent Hip Swivel
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Minnesota - 1941-1942
Winning 3 titles in two years? Doubt that will ever be topped.
Even Saban didn't do that.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 9:34 am to 4Ghost
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Say what you want, What Bowden and FSU did from 1987 thru 2001 was and is a “Dynasty”!
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the ACC.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 9:35 am
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:26 am to bigDgator
How did the Chicken fare against the Gator during this time? Add in the National Schedule FSU played and it was comparable or better than anything UF played. Glad you hit me. Hope you are well!
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:36 am to Violent Hip Swivel
1872 - 1927 Yale Football
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:55 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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What's yours?
At bare minimum an even number of years.
10? That includes two full classes cycling through.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:05 pm to 4Ghost
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Add in the National Schedule FSU played
They were in the ACC in all but 3 of those years. Other than Miami they were picking off Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, and Maryland every year.
They played ND twice, I guess, but other than that ... no.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:09 pm to jonnyanony
They played:
Michigan in 91
Auburn in 90
Clemson in 88 & 89
Auburn in 87
Other than that it was a national schedule of scrubs. Look at the 87 schedule:
Texas Tech
East Carolina
Memphis
Michigan State
Southern Miss
Louisville
Tulane
Furman
Most of the SEC would have taken that schedule anytime in the 90s much less today.
Michigan in 91
Auburn in 90
Clemson in 88 & 89
Auburn in 87
Other than that it was a national schedule of scrubs. Look at the 87 schedule:
Texas Tech
East Carolina
Memphis
Michigan State
Southern Miss
Louisville
Tulane
Furman
Most of the SEC would have taken that schedule anytime in the 90s much less today.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:16 pm to jonnyanony
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At bare minimum an even number of years.
10? That includes two full classes cycling through.
3 titles is a fair arbitrary number for national titles but I don't know what is best for the years.
A title year in 1, 5, and 10 seems like too many years between title 1 and 3.
A title in year 1,2, and 8 seems like too big of a break in between title 2 and 3, but what if it was year 1,4, and 8?
There is no debate when it's years 1,2, and 5, which brings is to 3 in 6/7 years.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:20 pm to jonnyanony
I guess we're going to forget about the fact that they were playing Miami every year during the height of their success?
Won the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl in 1987.
So Florida State in 1987 played the Big Ten champion (Michigan State), the SEC champion (Auburn), and the national champion (Miami) before playing and beating a Top 5 Nebraska team in the Fiesta Bowl.
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Michigan State
Won the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl in 1987.
So Florida State in 1987 played the Big Ten champion (Michigan State), the SEC champion (Auburn), and the national champion (Miami) before playing and beating a Top 5 Nebraska team in the Fiesta Bowl.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:40 pm to Blackadder
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That half of the championships Alabama claim are fake?
Take away half of them if you want. We still have more than anyone else. And no one is close when you apply the same standard to other schools.
Let's start with Tennessee.
The school claims six national championships but most are tentative at best. 1938 and 1940 are claimed despite TCU and Minnesota claiming the AP national championship. 1950 is claimed despite Oklahoma winning both the AP and the Coaches. Tennessee won the AP and the Coaches in 1951 but lost their bowl game to an undefeated Maryland team. Their claim to 1951 is therefore more valid than Tennessee's as they won that game, by 15 points, on the field. 1967 is just as laughable a claim as Alabama's claim to 1941. Tennessee lost two games that season to include their bowl game to #3 Oklahoma yet the school lays claim to a national championship for this season for whatever reason.
Finally we have 1998 where the Vols finished undefeated and #1 in the BCS rankings. Using the same standards applied to the Alabama Football program on this board, 1998 is Tennessee's only legitimate claim to a national championship. However, this championship can be seen as tainted by some fans, similar to Alabama's in 2009, due to the fact that Tennessee played against Florida State's third string QB in the Fiesta Bowl rather than future Heisman Trophy winner Chris Weinke (who was out with an injury).
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/17/24 at 1:42 pm to Blackadder
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That half of the championships Alabama claim are fake? You are correct it is a verifiable historical fact.
66% of the national championships Tennessee claims are complete bullshite.
That's 4 out of 6.
Of the 2 national championships remaining, you lost your bowl game in 1 of them.
That means by your own standards, Tennessee has a total of 1 national championship in your entire history, 1998.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:04 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Miami - 1990-1993
Make the Miami dynasty from 1983 to 1992. They were 107-14 with 4 NC's. Bama was 126-14 with 3 NC's. Not sure why you start Bama's dynasty in 2013 instead of 2009. Then, there is no arguement.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:35 pm to RollTide1987
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So Florida State in 1987 played the Big Ten champion (Michigan State), the SEC champion (Auburn), and the national champion (Miami)
3 good-ish teams and the rest scrubs is supposed to be uber impressive?
That same year the supposedly inferior Florida schedule had:
#10 Miami
#11 Alabama
#7 LSU
#6 Auburn
#10 Georgia
yeah really wish I'd had that super amazing "national" schedule
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:44 pm to jonnyanony
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That same year the supposedly inferior Florida schedule had: #10 Miami #11 Alabama #7 LSU #6 Auburn #10 Georgia
Florida finished 6-6 with that schedule. The only team you beat is Alabama and we finished unranked and 7-5.
Florida State on the other hand crushed Auburn on the road and lost to Miami by a single point. Miami beat Florida so bad you dropped them from your schedule.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:55 pm to LSU82BILL
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Make the Miami dynasty from 1983 to 1992. They were 107-14 with 4 NC's. Bama was 126-14 with 3 NC's. Not sure why you start Bama's dynasty in 2013 instead of 2009. Then, there is no arguement.
It's the years that you can actively claim that your team is a dynasty, starting with the year after the third national title.
The Chiefs haven't been a dynasty since 2019. They just became a dynasty this season.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:07 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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It's the years that you can actively claim that your team is a dynasty, starting with the year after the third national title.
But why? Thats a weird subject.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:18 pm to RollTide1987
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Florida finished 6-6 with that schedule.
What? I didn't argue that we were good just this idea that FSU was playing ten top 25 teams every year while Florida was playing ten Coastal Carolina take.
FSU's schedule was 70% creampuffs most years and probably more once they joined the ACC.
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