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re: Coaches running up score/leaving Heisman player in to pad stats
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:11 am to SthGADawg
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:11 am to SthGADawg
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i agree and disagree...bama does what you are talking about...plays the younger guys, and it has paid off...but at the same time...i am a football coach...and we will go until the final whistle blows...60 minutes...frick em...
If you have 40 point lead going into the 4th quarter, can you not do that with backups?
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:27 am to tungi01
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I honestly think that it shows very little class and/or utter stupidity, to leave your starters in a game, in which you clearly have a large lead, in the 4th quarter. Especially if your intent is run up the score or pad stats. Why not give, your younger players a chance to develop? Why not play the game with class? You can dominate and kick people's arse but you can do it without humilating them...
meh. I think there are a myriad of reasons to leave in starters. Maybe you want some of the backups to play with starters to better evaluate them. Maybe you want to work on something in particular in a game situation. Maybe you want to win a Heisman -- and yes, awards are worth a ton to schools in publicity and recruiting value
Each coach has to make that decision for himself each time it happens. And I've played sports enough to have been on both side of this equation and on the wrong side I just wanted the game to end, didn't really care how we got there or what the final score was. We just got our heads handed to us no matter how you look at it. I think it's really only fans that care.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:56 am to tmc94
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meh. I think there are a myriad of reasons to leave in starters. Maybe you want some of the backups to play with starters to better evaluate them. Maybe you want to work on something in particular in a game situation. Maybe you want to win a Heisman -- and yes, awards are worth a ton to schools in publicity and recruiting value
Each coach has to make that decision for himself each time it happens. And I've played sports enough to have been on both side of this equation and on the wrong side I just wanted the game to end, didn't really care how we got there or what the final score was. We just got our heads handed to us no matter how you look at it. I think it's really only fans that care.
This guy disagrees.....
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:56 am to BigAggie06
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A good example of this was the A&M vs OU 77-0 debacle. For all the humiliation that stemed from that game I think Stoops actually showed some class with the way he played him team.
Not running up the score = going to a running clock up 77-0 with a minute left in the 3rd quarter and taking knees in the red zone.
Running up the score = Calling a timeout with 24 seconds left in the game up 36-25 at the opponents' 1 WITH YOUR ENTIRE FIRST STRING OFFENSE STILL IN.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:57 am to Rig
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Still can't give specific examples?
What about Wisconsin for the past few years before they sucked?
Posted on 10/3/12 at 10:57 am to Bose Ikard
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Also - A 4 TD lead in the third quarter is NOT an insurmountable lead.
It actually is most of the time in the SEC.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 11:08 am to bpfergu
I think the stats that matter for heisman should not be total yards / TDs, etc.
It should be yards per carry, completion %, etc. A player shouldn't be penalized for being pulled in the 3rd.
It should be yards per carry, completion %, etc. A player shouldn't be penalized for being pulled in the 3rd.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 11:17 am to AsphaltFunk
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Geno sparked this, he had to throw for 8 or they would have lost
Heisman race is over unless Geno throws an INT that cost WV a game. They can even lose two games and he still wins.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 11:25 am to Irons Puppet
I was about to say, Johnny Manziel was out of the game after his first drive in the 4th Quarter. I don't agree with running up the score on purpose. However, I have nothing against hte 2nd and 3rd teams playing to the best of their ability and trying to score when they are in the game. That's their job. It's their job to play well, it's not their job to stop because the other team is playing poorly.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 11:26 am to swampdawg
quote:Has a Wisconsin player won a Heisman recently? Nope.. irrelevant to the topic at hand.
What about Wisconsin for the past few years before they sucked?
Posted on 10/3/12 at 11:48 am to Rig
Not really. They've had a couple Heisman contenders last couple seasons.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 11:49 am to swampdawg
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What about Wisconsin for the past few years before they sucked?
You mean when they kept the starters in to score 83 points on Indiana?
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:17 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I don't mind running up the score until we have a playoff system. Granted the computers don't take scoring margin into affect, but coaches and writers do. It looks a lot better if you beat a scrub team 35-17 rather than 28-17.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:50 pm to bpfergu
There are a lot of factors to consider. How much time is left? Is the opposing team still leaving in their starters and going for it on 4th Down? How much does the coach need to evaluate his 2nd/3rd stringers running the offense as you don't learn anything if they are just running up the middle on every play?
Of course, there is also the "Did your coach piss off my coach?" factor. I'll never forget how Jim Wacker when he was at TCU spoke in negative tones about Jackie Sherrill and put him down at every opportunity. So Jackie was up 53-6 on TCU and had just scored with less than 2 minutes in the game in Fort Worth and then he tried an onside kick. The next year he beat them 74-10 at Kyle with similar mercy.
Of course, there is also the "Did your coach piss off my coach?" factor. I'll never forget how Jim Wacker when he was at TCU spoke in negative tones about Jackie Sherrill and put him down at every opportunity. So Jackie was up 53-6 on TCU and had just scored with less than 2 minutes in the game in Fort Worth and then he tried an onside kick. The next year he beat them 74-10 at Kyle with similar mercy.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:53 pm to bpfergu
Good news for Geno Smith is WVU's defense is so bad he'll be in there all game just to secure wins while padding stats.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:59 pm to thunderbird1100
So far Mett and Les haven't run up the score. They tryed against Auburn but it didn't work out.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:02 pm to bpfergu
Well since the polsters like to look at "style" points it often makes sense. However, I don't like it because it looks cocky.
Garbage time touchdowns happen. These have prevented several shutouts by the Tigers over the years. However, I do remember a game that the 1st teamers went in once the other team got into the red zone. Unfortunately it didn't work...
Garbage time touchdowns happen. These have prevented several shutouts by the Tigers over the years. However, I do remember a game that the 1st teamers went in once the other team got into the red zone. Unfortunately it didn't work...
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:25 pm to bpfergu
The biggest douche move I personally remember was the anal raping we got from USC. They were way up. I believe it was 4th quarter. We finally stopped them. Pete C went for it instead of kicking a field goal and the scored another TD. No need for that. Kick your field goal and move along. TD did nothing but pad stats.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:52 pm to bpfergu
There's no such thing as running up the score.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:55 pm to bpfergu
I don't see much of a problem with it against major FBS schools. If they can't stop you, too bad for them, sucks to suck. But against these FCS D2 schools, it aint really right.
I would actually like for Spurrier to do this more. Take our game against Mizzou as an example, Shaw was 3 passes away from breaking Tee Martin's record of consecutive passes made in a game. Yeah we were up by 3 TDs and yeah we can't have Shaw getting hurt again but I think we could have given Shaw another series to try to get his name into the SEC record books. After all, the record was set against us, it'd be good to erase that.
We've beaten Clempson pretty good the last few years, 97-37 (I think) but the scores could've been much worse for sure. I wish we slam the pedal to the medal and not let up. Maybe this is the year.
I would actually like for Spurrier to do this more. Take our game against Mizzou as an example, Shaw was 3 passes away from breaking Tee Martin's record of consecutive passes made in a game. Yeah we were up by 3 TDs and yeah we can't have Shaw getting hurt again but I think we could have given Shaw another series to try to get his name into the SEC record books. After all, the record was set against us, it'd be good to erase that.
We've beaten Clempson pretty good the last few years, 97-37 (I think) but the scores could've been much worse for sure. I wish we slam the pedal to the medal and not let up. Maybe this is the year.
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