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Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:32 am to roadGator
i was reading the free board. i thought it was a pretty fair reaction IMO. most people want him suspended for multiple games but are waiting for the facts to come out
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:33 am to gatorsimz
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RebelMasoli: Chris Rainey got arrested for aggravated stalking. Now that I know that's a crime @kyleveazey better quit sleeping outside of my apartment.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:36 am to roadGator
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The threat was taken seriously.
i meant the reactions of the posters on gator country.
the police certainly did the right thing.
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He was arrested and interviewed. The victim was interviewed and told the judge she wasn't afraid of CR.
many victims of stalking say this. they think it will merely get worse if they continue with legal action (if she wasn't scared, she wouldn't have called the police). when it is a high profile case like this one, victims often fear te reaction of third parties (ie crazy fans/students blaming her for getting rainey suspended, instead of blaming rainey for being a fricking psycho)
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I'm not sure what else anyone would want from this. I don't know what his punishment should be because the issue is so serious. I hope they balance this somehow so as to protect the girl if needed and to keep the kid from getting too dinged in life if had no real intention of hurting her. The problem is, how do you really know?
protect the kid? so protecting a potential stalker is more important than protecting the female population of florida's campus? remember, this goes beyond ONE girl. Stalkers can move on to other targets. If he ills her, or another student, and Florida did not do everything in their power to stop it, then not only do tey open themselves up to a huge wrongful death suit, but they lose millions in bad publicity. And yes, we do know what time to die meant. It doesn't matter if the kid was "serious" or not. The very fact that he would say it is evidence of a disturbed psyche.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:38 am to secfan123
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Explain please. I don't go over there and I would say that the free board over there is kind of
they were more worried about getting Chris Rainey to play football than they were about whether he posed a danger to the female population of Florida. And they chalked up his disturbing behavior to "getting in trouble over pussy." He DID NOT get into trouble over "pussy." Hr got into trouble for threatening a young woman's life.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:43 am to spslayto
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Florida must want that Fulmer Cup title from Georgia.
We refuse to relinquish it.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:48 am to Lsupimp
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That's pathetic. Anything short of dismissal tarnishes the conference.
True, Ole Piss could use another RB
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:50 am to secfan123
I have a son and daughter.
If my daughter was sent this text I would want the dude arrested and I would want to have a serious chat (you know the kind I mean) with him. I would also talk to my daughter about his previous actions (they dated off and on for 3 years).
If my son did this, I would want to make sure that he wasn't a real danger and I would want to make sure that if he wasn't that he didn't get too harsh of a punishment. Some sort of punishment is required. It's the severity of that punishment that is in question imo.
How far do you go? It's a balance that I am glad I don't have to determine.
If my daughter was sent this text I would want the dude arrested and I would want to have a serious chat (you know the kind I mean) with him. I would also talk to my daughter about his previous actions (they dated off and on for 3 years).
If my son did this, I would want to make sure that he wasn't a real danger and I would want to make sure that if he wasn't that he didn't get too harsh of a punishment. Some sort of punishment is required. It's the severity of that punishment that is in question imo.
How far do you go? It's a balance that I am glad I don't have to determine.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 10:59 am to roadGator
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How far do you go? It's a balance that I am glad I don't have to determine.
i actually think its pretty easy. When a guy molests a kid, you don't worry about how the "sex offender" label will dmage him later in life, nor do you worry about what kind of problems he might have that drove him to such a heinous act- you get him awy from children. Likewise, you get this kid away from a the vulnerable femae population of the Univerity of Florida. IF he can keep his nose clean and another program wants to eventually give him another chance (a'la Tennessee and plunger boy), then it is on their heads. But the flagship University of the state of Florida is no place to take a chance that, "MAYBE he wasn't serious."
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:01 am to roadGator
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True, Ole Piss could use another RB
Nah, what we need is a few OL to get into some trouble. We're kicking the few good ones off our team. Nutt has the "if it happens in a different state, it doesn't count" philosophy
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:03 am to secfan123
Texting a threat and molesting a child are not good comparisons.
The school may have rules in place to take care of this. I'm not sure. I don't think you'll see him in a gator uniform in the immediate future regardless.
The school may have rules in place to take care of this. I'm not sure. I don't think you'll see him in a gator uniform in the immediate future regardless.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:07 am to roadGator
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Texting a threat and molesting a child are not good comparisons.
Actually, they are. With more time and research devoted to studying stalkers and those who threaten the women they supposedly "love" psychiatrist have found that there are disturbing psychological problems that go beyond mere anger, and that such individuals are, like child molesters, highly likely to reoffend.
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The school may have rules in place to take care of this. I'm not sure. I don't think you'll see him in a gator uniform in the immediate future regardless.
This goes beyond football. I'm not worried about seeing him in a gator uniform. I'm worried about the next young female student at Florida that he turns his disturbed "attentions" to.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:10 am to secfan123
Have you been taking psych or criminology classes? Just curious.
You seem to have your mind made up. I'm going to let the system work and then make up my mind with all the facts in hand.
One thing is for sure. He should be evaluated and watched closely.
You seem to have your mind made up. I'm going to let the system work and then make up my mind with all the facts in hand.
One thing is for sure. He should be evaluated and watched closely.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:18 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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t was a typo. Texting mistake.
predictive text strikes again! damn you technology.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:18 am to roadGator
I think they main point that is not being mentioned is his concussion. Any type of brain injury can have numerous effects, esp depending on what part of the brain the injury was. I would be curious to see had he acted like this previously on seperate occasions. If its his first time, i believe charges should be dropped because of his injury.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:26 am to roadGator
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Have you been taking psych or criminology classes? Just curious.
psychology minor and just took a criminal procedure class in law school last semester. Cyber stalking was one of the subjects covered b/c a) it is occuring with so much more frequency now and b)judges too often wrote off serious threats as "lover's spats" b/c they were ignorant of the true nture of the perpetrator's and new laws had to be designed to better protet the victims).
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You seem to have your mind made up. I'm going to let the system work and then make up my mind with all the facts in hand.
That's fair, however, what if this kid kills someone (as happened at UVA) while the criminal courts are dragging out? Then it looks like Florida put their students in danger so a star football player wouldn't have to leave. It would just look very bad.
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One thing is for sure. He should be evaluated and watched closely.
Agreed
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:33 am to 7thWardTiger
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I think they main point that is not being mentioned is his concussion. Any type of brain injury can have numerous effects, esp depending on what part of the brain the injury was. I would be curious to see had he acted like this previously on seperate occasions. If its his first time, i believe charges should be dropped because of his injury.
There have been cases of brain trauma affecting people this way. One person had a tumor that caused severe abberant behavior. However, even if it was the concussion, it is not simple as "the concussion made him do it, therefore drop the charges." Even if he wouldn't have done it before the concussion, you have to look at the possibility that he may now, b/c of the brain trauma, be capable of this typ of behaior. If that is the case, then a civil commitment would be in order until you determine if such behavior is now a permanent part of his makeup. I it is, you simply can't turn him out to do it again.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:38 am to secfan123
There is one or two things going in CR's favor right now. Perhaps 3.
1-he left her home after being asked to leave
2-the cops had the girl call him - aggravating the situation perhaps
3-she told the judge with her mom present that she didn't mean to have CR arrested. (why call them then is my question).
Anyway, as more facts come out I will post more. The insider board seems to have someone that knows the girl and he is saying that more details are coming and it may not be what it seems. I have no idea if the guy knows the girl for real or not. You know how these boards are.
I hope that make the right decision on what to do and will support whatever is decided because I certainly don't know much about the intricate details.
1-he left her home after being asked to leave
2-the cops had the girl call him - aggravating the situation perhaps
3-she told the judge with her mom present that she didn't mean to have CR arrested. (why call them then is my question).
Anyway, as more facts come out I will post more. The insider board seems to have someone that knows the girl and he is saying that more details are coming and it may not be what it seems. I have no idea if the guy knows the girl for real or not. You know how these boards are.
I hope that make the right decision on what to do and will support whatever is decided because I certainly don't know much about the intricate details.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:43 am to roadGator
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Have you been taking psych or criminology classes? Just curious.
Not that poster, but stalking type of behavior does have larger psychological implications than just a random threat.
Was this the first time that this guy threatened her? Are there other incidences that went unreported? Has he done this type of thing with any other females that he's been involved with in the past? If he's willing to text this to her (and don't give me that he was talking about himself, that's a load of lawyer speak), then he's taken it further than just a thought to do harm; he's putting it out there to the potential victim. That he was willing to take it further when the police called him, is further evidence of not being rational.
Again, let's look at the killing at the University of Virginia in May. No one predicted this and yet it happened. U of F needs to give UVA a call to find out what they are doing to address this with athletes and campus wide.
It was smart for the young lady to call the police. Too often people let this go and they end up hurt or dead.
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