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re: Better chance at success and better recruiting base: Tennessee or Arky?
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:59 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:59 pm to hawgfaninc
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Better chance at future success: Arky
Based on what? Especially now that TAMU has taken top dog or close to it in Texas and OU/Okie State still own Dallas more than Arky.
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:01 pm to ThaKaptin
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ith that said, UT is behind just about every quality team in the conference in instate talent across the board. They relied on recruiting nationally the years they they were really good and they did that by making bowl games every where when making a bowl game meant something. Now they can't rely on that to get them the big national stars anymore and their lack of instate talent is catching up with them.
Don't get me wrong, they still have decent talent when comparing them to most schools nationally, but they fall behind the bigger schools in the SEC.
The thing is, USCe started taking the GA talent more than UT. If UT can get that reversed (with facilities adn the right coach, I think they can), then UT still has a large enough presence nationally to be in the top 3 in the east.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:01 pm to Moustache
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Ehhh....I don't know about that. If you're counting Memphis as Tennessee, then yes, but Memphis belongs to Ole Miss, Bama, and Arky just as much as it does UT.
Nashville Metro area is booming real fast and some analysts are predicting Nashville to be a hotbed in 10 years.
This post was edited on 7/2/13 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:02 pm to Crompdaddy8
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Nashville Metro area is booming real fast and some are analysts are predicting Nashville to be a hotbed in 10 years.
That I can believe, but Vandy and James Franklin are doing work. I just can't foresee Vandy being great long term though, as Franklin will jump ship at the first great opportunity and Vandy will never invest the money needed.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:03 pm to Monticello
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UT. No comparison whatsoever. Neither have a strong in state recruiting base, but UT at least has NC, SC, GA, and AL close by as well as a fairly strong national presence. Dallas is over 5 hours from Fayetteville and all those kids go to Texas A&M.
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:03 pm to Moustache
So basically the gist of your thread is Tennessee is better than Arkansas, and if you don't agree frick you.
Is that about it?
Is that about it?
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:04 pm to Mirthomatic
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Not quite yet, but TAMU is certainly doing a great job of getting into that area now. OU going down will do wonders for TAMU and UT.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:04 pm to Moustache
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Ehhh....I don't know about that. If you're counting Memphis as Tennessee, then yes, but Memphis belongs to Ole Miss, Bama, and Arky just as much as it does UT.
I have to disagree here. Ole miss would have an argument when they are up, but they havent been up in a while until last year and it will take more than one year to bring that name back up. (although I must say they set the woods on fire reciting this year which surprised me)
Alabama has been a little timid of Memphis since albert means. Not completely, but we don't have real estate rented there like we use to.
Arkansas falls below both alabama and ole miss in Memphis.
UT still has a good presence there and always will just because they are the premiere instate football school. Or at least they are perceived that way. I think Vandy passes them if they haven't already and this latest coaching helier will decide it for sure one way or another.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:04 pm to Stonehog
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So basically the gist of your thread is Tennessee is better than Arkansas, and if you don't agree frick you.
Is that about it?
No, I've laid out my points and I want to hear why you think Arky is better if you do. Only thing I've gotten from Arky fans is something about how awesome Jeff Long is and that's it.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:05 pm to ThaKaptin
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UT still has a good presence there and always will just because they are the premiere instate football school. Or at least they are perceived that way. I think Vandy passes them if they haven't already and this latest coaching helier will decide it for sure one way or another.
vandy will never invest the money needed to be a serious player.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:09 pm to Moustache
We were able to get a much more high profile coach from a major conference. Exponentially better hire than Tennessee's.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:09 pm to Moustache
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vandy will never invest the money needed to be a serious player.
I don't know. They have had a SERIOUS paradigm shift the last few years. They spent a shite ton of money upgrading the field, the facilities, and the coaching staff, and that may be just the tip of the iceberg. While I can see exactly what you are saying happening, I get the feeling they may be on the verge of really surprising folks with their commitment to athletics, especially football. I hope I am right because Vandy has been a doormat since the 50's.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:14 pm to Moustache
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Not quite yet, but TAMU is certainly doing a great job of getting into that area now. OU going down will do wonders for TAMU and UT.
Actually, it's already happened. 24/7's recruiter rankings has A&M's David Beaty ranked ahead of all B12 recruiters, and Dallas is his assigned area. Most people don't realize that College Station is actually closer to BOTH Dallas and Houston than Austin is. While there are definitely more A&M fans in Houston, as a percentage, than in Dallas, A&M has been cleaning house in recruiting all over the state.
That can certainly change if A&M stumbles on the field in the future, but things are looking good right now.
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"Texas A&M has always been a good recruiting program and the Aggies have had some hot starts before, but this is different. In a way, Texas A&M has become the Alabama of that state and it is the offer that every kid wants, passing Texas for that distinction. I think that they will have a solid season and close out strong again and that is important. The SEC is a different animal and you are only as good as your last season, so to continue being the 'it' team in the state, the results will have to match the hype." -- Rivals.com national recruiting analyst Mike Farrell.
And to respond to the OP, I think UT is best set up for success, due to close proximity to ACC states of North Carolina and Virginia. And I think they can do more to raid Ohio the way Kentucky is doing. UK may be the closest SEC school, but UT is the closest SEC school with a major football pedigree.
This post was edited on 7/2/13 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:14 pm to Crompdaddy8
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Tennessee and South Carolina are about equal when it comes to in-state talent.
Uh not really and I'll bet SC is growing as fast or faster than Tenn.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:15 pm to Stonehog
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We were able to get a much more high profile coach from a major conference. Exponentially better hire than Tennessee's.
True. Yall hired a better coach because UT's AD is terrible. But, the question was who has the better resources for success. The clear answer is UT. Arky has great money, but has a far smaller stadium, and far less recruits close to campus compared to UT.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:16 pm to ThaKaptin
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While I can see exactly what you are saying happening, I get the feeling they may be on the verge of really surprising folks with their commitment to athletics, especially football. I hope I am right because Vandy has been a doormat since the 50's.
I wouldn't say their potential is anymore than what Northwestern is doing now.
Sure, they upgraded. But they're still 20 years behind facility-wise as the big boys in the conference.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:19 pm to Moustache
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True. Yall hired a better coach because UT's AD is terrible. But, the question was who has the better resources for success. The clear answer is UT
If you already knew the answer then why ask the question.
You say UT's AD is terrible but we have the national AD of the year. That's gotta count for something, and it's a lot more significant than the number of seats in the respective stadiums.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:19 pm to Mirthomatic
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ctually, it's already happened. 24/7's recruiter rankings has A&M's David Beaty ranked ahead of all B12 recruiters, and Dallas is his assigned area. Most people don't realize that College Station is actually closer to BOTH Dallas and Houston than Austin is. While there are definitely more A&M fans in Houston, as a percentage, than in Dallas, A&M has been cleaning house in recruiting all over the state.
That can certainly change if A&M stumbles on the field in the future, but things are looking good right now.
There's no doubt about it that A&M has grown tremendously, but you act as though no kids wants to play for UT still.
UT is still a HUGE power in the state. C.S. being closer to Dallas/Houston than Austin doesn't really matter all that much IMO.
TAMU is hot right now because they have an electric QB and they won 10 games and are in a great conference. As soon as Tamu has a down year and UT an up year, shite will switch right back.
Basically, I agree with this statement: "The SEC is a different animal and you are only as good as your last season, so to continue being the 'it' team in the state, the results will have to match the hype."
Still a good time to be an Aggie football fan.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:20 pm to Crashfistfight
TN has more 4*
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state of Tennessee or South Carolina have WAY more talent than Arkansas.
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*Arky and Tennessee are about equal when it comes to in-state talent.
state of Tennessee or South Carolina have WAY more talent than Arkansas.
This post was edited on 7/2/13 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:21 pm to Stonehog
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You say UT's AD is terrible but we have the national AD of the year. That's gotta count for something, and it's a lot more significant than the number of seats in the respective stadiums.
man, ADs can only do so much. Jeff Long can't move Fayetteville to a talent rich area. That negative alone is really hurting Arky.
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