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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:41 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:41 pm to djsdawg
1999-2001
A clear cut example of this is Marshall Faulk in the “greatest show on turf” years of 1999-2001. When he ran behind a great OL and Warner, Holt, & Bruce had teams spread wide, Faulk averaged over a yard per carry more than the rest of his career. And that window started in his 7th season, hardly at his peak body condition, exacerbating the reality that spacing and a passing threat was THE seminal reality that fostered his success.
A clear cut example of this is Marshall Faulk in the “greatest show on turf” years of 1999-2001. When he ran behind a great OL and Warner, Holt, & Bruce had teams spread wide, Faulk averaged over a yard per carry more than the rest of his career. And that window started in his 7th season, hardly at his peak body condition, exacerbating the reality that spacing and a passing threat was THE seminal reality that fostered his success.
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Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:43 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
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by GAT BoilerPickle Doc
I fricking hate you for this…..
First off, outside of maybe Earl Campbell, Herschel is the best running back on that list…
Second off you left out Leonard Fournette and Derek henry and Bo Jackson….I could go on. That’s a big 12 caliber list…
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:43 pm to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Pure a talent? Technically Peterson now that OU is in the SEC
Dude was an absolute BEAST
One of the greatest RB of all time but he had a couple of season ending injuries in college.
It’s probably McFadden.
Dude was an absolute BEAST
One of the greatest RB of all time but he had a couple of season ending injuries in college.
It’s probably McFadden.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:44 pm to 3down10
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It's funny you mention number of WR in the formation, but yet you ignore the fact that Walker would have 1 or 2 personal blockers on most plays instead of WR.
Personal blockers?
What on earth is a personal blocker?
I mean every team out there has 11 players on the field. You act like Georgia sneaked a 12th or 13th player on the field to personally block for Herschel Walker.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:45 pm to DawgsLife
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Hershcel Walker separated his shoulder on the second play from scrimmage (For Georgia) and still rushed for 150 yards and 2 TDs. You don't think he impacted the game?
ESPN Network
Excerpts from article.
The ensuing Bulldogs drive saw Georgia's championship hopes nearly dashed on the first play. Walker was tossed the ball on a sweep to the right side, and received a bruising introduction to Notre Dame football."The doctor said I dislocated my shoulder, and they told me it was over," reflected the embattled workhorse. "I looked at the doctor, and said 'You've got to be joking me. You've got to put it back in place.' I told myself, 'I didn't come this far to dislocate my shoulder and not play.'
"So, they put it back in place, and I (went) back on the field."
The embattled Walker overcame a dislocated shoulder on the game's second play to rush for 150 yards and two TDs.
You are correct, though. The defense played a huge role, and it was a very good defense. It just seemed as if you were downplaying 150 yards and 2 TDs....which is pretty darn impressive in a title game.
Once again, his 2 TDs were handed to him, and he didn't score the rest of the game. He didn't run for 150 yards to score those 2 TDs, he ran for about 14 yards for 2 TDs, then spent the rest of the game getting a shite ton of carries for the rest.
If Notre Dame doesn't turn the ball over 3 times, Georgia probably doesn't even score.
The injury stuff is laughable.
This post was edited on 6/5/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:46 pm to SammyTiger
quote:But....they're not. They are in the BIG 12 and still play a BIG 12 schedule. They won't be in the SEC until 2025, and even then the players that played for them before that date never played in the SEC.
Technically Peterson now that OU is in the SEC
I mean. Yes. He was a great RB. But he never played in the SEC.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:47 pm to DawgsLife
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Personal blockers?
What on earth is a personal blocker?
I mean every team out there has 11 players on the field. You act like Georgia sneaked a 12th or 13th player on the field to personally block for Herschel Walker.
Do you now know what the wishbone and I formations are?
Yeah, both teams have 11 players, that's my point. Your other fans sit here and act like the WR the modern offensives have are extra players, when Georgia would just use them as extra blockers.
Thanks for making my point.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:48 pm to DawgsLife
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But....they're not. They are in the BIG 12 and still play a BIG 12 schedule. They won't be in the SEC until 2025, and even then the players that played for them before that date never played in the SEC.
I mean. Yes. He was a great RB. But he never played in the SEC.
Georgia only played 1 ranked SEC team in Walkers entire career, so is it really that much different?
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:50 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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1999-2001
A clear cut example of this is Marshall Faulk in the “greatest show on turf” years of 1999-2001. When he ran behind a great OL and Warner, Holt, & Bruce had teams spread wide, Faulk averaged over a yard per carry more than the rest of his career. And that window started in his 7th season, hardly at his peak body condition, exacerbating the reality that spacing and a passing threat was THE seminal reality that fostered his success.
So yet another argument that the only way a RB can qualify in this discussion is if they run the wishbone formation.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:53 pm to 3down10
quote:How so? Did the ND defense lay down and let him walk in?
Once again, his 2 TDs were handed to him,
quote:So speculation = reality, now?
If Notre Dame doesn't turn the ball over 3 times, Georgia probably doesn't even score.
quote:So 2 TDs was not good enough in a game in which 3TDs were scored by both teams?
and he didn't score the rest of the game.
quote:I mean he stayed in the game, and we all know when Alabama players get injured they go to the sideline and watch the rest of the game.
The injury stuff is laughable.
Saying a separated shoulder is laughable is.....laughable. The doctors advised him not to play anymore.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:55 pm to 3down10
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Georgia only played 1 ranked SEC team in Walkers entire career, so is it really that much different?
Yes. Glad I could clear that up for you. I'm a little taken back that you don't understand that they are two different conferences.
But then you think a separated shoulder is laughable, so.....
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:57 pm to 3down10
quote:I played against a wishbone offense, so yes. I do. And you don't have a personal blocker. And Herschel never played in a wishbone.
Do you now know what the wishbone and I formations are?
Honest question. Have you ever played football? because I am not sure you understand how the "I" formation works and I KNOW you don't understand how the wishbone worked if you think all the other backs did was block.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 2:58 pm to DawgsLife
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Yes. Glad I could clear that up for you. I'm a little taken back that you don't understand that they are two different conferences.
But then you think a separated shoulder is laughable, so.....
The point I was making was not that AP should be considered for anything SEC related.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 3:06 pm to DawgsLife
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How so? Did the ND defense lay down and let him walk in?
The defense was blocked, he was untouched on both. Easy scores.
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So speculation = reality, now?
The reality is you only scored off turnovers in the opponents red zone.
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So 2 TDs was not good enough in a game in which 3TDs were scored by both teams?
Yeah, 2 gifted TDs did Notre Dame in.
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I mean he stayed in the game, and we all know when Alabama players get injured they go to the sideline and watch the rest of the game.
Saying a separated shoulder is laughable is.....laughable. The doctors advised him not to play anymore.
Ok.
The more I look at 1980, the more I think BYU might not be the weakest National Champion in history.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 3:07 pm to 3down10
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Yeah, both teams have 11 players, that's my point. Your other fans sit here and act like the WR the modern offensives have are extra players, when Georgia would just use them as extra blockers.
We do use our WRs as blockers. If a WR doesn't block they don't get on the field. Saban has made the same statement on several occasions. Modern offenses throw the ball a whole lot more and and that changed the way defenses played.
It was more normal for defenses in the 70s and 80 to run 4-4-3 and 5-3-3 defenses, to stop the run...since most teams ran the ball a lot more. With wide open offenses today we are seeing more 3-4-4 defense along with nickle and dime backfields to stop the pass.
Now...as for the wishbone? the veer came from that. (Yes, they existed at the same time, but more teams ran the wishbone then most movev to the veer and then other more pass friendly defense came along.
But in the wishbone, it was like the veer in that it was an run option offense. Typically the fullback would go up the middle, the first halback would got tight around the DE, and the last halfback would go way wide toward the sideline. The QB had players he keyed on and depending on what they did he could hand it to the fullback up the middle, hand it to the first halfback tight around the DE, keep the ball or toss it back to the trailing second halback.
The wish bone did not afford a halback a "personal blocker".
I played against the wishbone and my team played in the veer.Posted on 6/5/22 at 3:09 pm to DawgsLife
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I played against a wishbone offense, so yes. I do. And you don't have a personal blocker. And Herschel never played in a wishbone.
Honest question. Have you ever played football? because I am not sure you understand how the "I" formation works and I KNOW you don't understand how the wishbone worked if you think all the other backs did was block.
Yeah I played on and against those types of offenses. If you want to add the misdirection possibilities with the wishbone, that's fine and only solidifies my point.
And while it may not have been your main formation, I am pretty sure I remember Georgia running some wishbone, and also some inverted wishbone for the extra blocking.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 3:10 pm to DawgsLife
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We do use our WRs as blockers. If a WR doesn't block they don't get on the field. Saban has made the same statement on several occasions. Modern offenses throw the ball a whole lot more and and that changed the way defenses played.
It was more normal for defenses in the 70s and 80 to run 4-4-3 and 5-3-3 defenses, to stop the run...since most teams ran the ball a lot more. With wide open offenses today we are seeing more 3-4-4 defense along with nickle and dime backfields to stop the pass.
Now...as for the wishbone? the veer came from that. (Yes, they existed at the same time, but more teams ran the wishbone then most movev to the veer and then other more pass friendly defense came along.
But in the wishbone, it was like the veer in that it was an run option offense. Typically the fullback would go up the middle, the first halback would got tight around the DE, and the last halfback would go way wide toward the sideline. The QB had players he keyed on and depending on what they did he could hand it to the fullback up the middle, hand it to the first halfback tight around the DE, keep the ball or toss it back to the trailing second halback.
The wish bone did not afford a halback a "personal blocker". I played against the wishbone and my team played in the veer.
Are you saying the other RBs in a wishbone formation do not block?
Posted on 6/5/22 at 3:12 pm to 3down10
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The defense was blocked, he was untouched on both. Easy scores.
He went over the top in his first TD. Was a short field? Yes. But now you are going to tell us that the team that held Alabama scoreless, gave up 2 TDs to Herschel Walker and it was no big deal.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 3:15 pm to 3down10
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Are you saying the other RBs in a wishbone formation do not block?
Typically no. They were decoys for handoffs. There were some plays in which they would hand the ball off the a halfback and the fullback would lead into the hole, but more often than not the QB read the defense and could hand the ball off the the RB of his choosing.
Posted on 6/5/22 at 3:20 pm to DawgsLife
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He went over the top in his first TD. Was a short field? Yes. But now you are going to tell us that the team that held Alabama scoreless, gave up 2 TDs to Herschel Walker and it was no big deal.
Over the top and untouched. He could have just stuck the ball out with his hand. It goes in the record books as 1 yard, but it was really like 1/2 a yard at best.
If Notre Dame had gifted 2 TDs, Alabama would have won also.
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