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re: Best Running Back in SEC History?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:08 am to Nitro Express
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:08 am to Nitro Express
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There is literally already one in this thread. Don't ignore facts or common sense while trying to win an argument.
Tell you what. In just a short time I found all these polls and articles naming Herschel as the best SEC college running back of all time. I challenge you to find one naming Derrick Henry.
Bleacher Report
The Sporting News
The Top Tens
The Saturday Blitz
ESPN
Pata Book
Help To Study
The Grueling Truth
Saturday Blitz
Fan Sided
All of these named Herschel Walker the top SEC back of all time. I anxiously await all the links naming Derrick Henry.
Funny thing is....none of the lists even had Henry on them. I found that odd.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 7:20 am
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:24 am to 3down10
Well for the record, I don’t find the distinction of ranking any more credentialing than you find the distinction of P5. Walker lost to 3 teams in his entire career. Won the SEC every year he was in college.
1981 National Champion Clemson
1982 National Champion Penn State
1981 Dan Marino led Pittsburg on a last second TD. And to your point, Clemson was unranked. Why didn’t I look at individual games? Because it’s unnecessary brain damage for such a cut and dry case.
Rankings are a sign of respect. The SEC was not as respected in the late 70’s early 80’s as it is today. As evidence of the fact that 7-8 SECT are routinely in the top 25 now.
Walker played in the SEC, and Vandy’s no juggernaut but they were more competitive then than now and they’re certainly at or above any directional state U, of which AL played several. What would strengthen your argument is that Henry didn’t rack up a bunch of yards on the nobody teams. At your suggestion, I did check (thanks) and noticed that the ONE great season he had the yards were spread pretty evenly. However, again, the best SEC RB ever doesn’t have have one good season.
Georgias culture for 100 years of football has been running the ball and great defense. In 1979 they were a 6-5 team. They didn’t have a passing game in 79 either. In one year they went from that to 12-0 NC. What do you think the difference was? From 2012 to 2013, Alabama went from NC to not winning the SEC. Alabama went backwards when they acquired Henry. He came into a program that had won back to back NC, went two years without starting or winning the NC.
And the greatest RB ever, doesn’t go to the NFL and sit the bench for two years.
You’ll find more agreement on HW being the greatest CFB player ever than for any other individual.
You can think Henry is the best RB in SEC history as “best” can never be completely objective. But you’re in light light light company.
1981 National Champion Clemson
1982 National Champion Penn State
1981 Dan Marino led Pittsburg on a last second TD. And to your point, Clemson was unranked. Why didn’t I look at individual games? Because it’s unnecessary brain damage for such a cut and dry case.
Rankings are a sign of respect. The SEC was not as respected in the late 70’s early 80’s as it is today. As evidence of the fact that 7-8 SECT are routinely in the top 25 now.
Walker played in the SEC, and Vandy’s no juggernaut but they were more competitive then than now and they’re certainly at or above any directional state U, of which AL played several. What would strengthen your argument is that Henry didn’t rack up a bunch of yards on the nobody teams. At your suggestion, I did check (thanks) and noticed that the ONE great season he had the yards were spread pretty evenly. However, again, the best SEC RB ever doesn’t have have one good season.
Georgias culture for 100 years of football has been running the ball and great defense. In 1979 they were a 6-5 team. They didn’t have a passing game in 79 either. In one year they went from that to 12-0 NC. What do you think the difference was? From 2012 to 2013, Alabama went from NC to not winning the SEC. Alabama went backwards when they acquired Henry. He came into a program that had won back to back NC, went two years without starting or winning the NC.
And the greatest RB ever, doesn’t go to the NFL and sit the bench for two years.
You’ll find more agreement on HW being the greatest CFB player ever than for any other individual.
You can think Henry is the best RB in SEC history as “best” can never be completely objective. But you’re in light light light company.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:26 am to Pulpwood Patterson
The answer is tim tebow as he broke all of herschel records and he was a QB.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:35 am to OliverQueen81
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The answer is tim tebow as he broke all of herschel records and he was a QB.
Please tell me you don't really believe this.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:36 am to OliverQueen81
If by all you mean TD’s, and In four seasons to Walkers 3. And he didn’t start his Freshman year either and the first year he did start Florida lost 4 games I believe.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:44 am to Pulpwood Patterson
Tim Tebow is the greatest sec player period. He was best qb and rb in sec history.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:47 am to DawgsLife
Pulpwood Smith was better than Derrick Harvey.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:14 am to OliverQueen81
I love Tebow…and that’s saying something for a GA fan.
I his 3 years as a starter the Gators lost 6 games, won 1 SECC and 1 NC and had no undefeated seasons.
In Walkers 3 Seasons as a starter Georgia lost 3 games, won 1 NC and 3 SECC and had an undefeated season. How many rushing TD did Tebow have of over 10 yards. He served as UF’s fullback.
I’m not knocking him, his leadership and toughness are unquestioned.
I his 3 years as a starter the Gators lost 6 games, won 1 SECC and 1 NC and had no undefeated seasons.
In Walkers 3 Seasons as a starter Georgia lost 3 games, won 1 NC and 3 SECC and had an undefeated season. How many rushing TD did Tebow have of over 10 yards. He served as UF’s fullback.
I’m not knocking him, his leadership and toughness are unquestioned.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:26 am to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
If we're talking stats, dominant player on team and the team's accomplishments....it's not close.
Never finished lower than third in Heisman voting.
Never lost an SEC game.
Lost three games total in his career. Two of those to the National champion of that year.
Won the National Championship.
In the National Championship game, had more total yards than his team.
Still holds the total rushing yards career record after only playing three seasons. His seasons were 11 game seasons. His bowl games are not counted in his stats.
Never finished lower than third in Heisman voting.
Never lost an SEC game.
Lost three games total in his career. Two of those to the National champion of that year.
Won the National Championship.
In the National Championship game, had more total yards than his team.
Still holds the total rushing yards career record after only playing three seasons. His seasons were 11 game seasons. His bowl games are not counted in his stats.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:32 am to 3down10
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I saw them play and Bo Jackson > Herschel Walker.
I saw them play too. They were at a different level that the rest of the players on the field. While I would take Bo, I know the UGA fans out there will always choose Herschel and I understand why. You can't go wrong either way.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:34 am to OliverQueen81
He didn't break all of his records. Herschel still has the most rushing yards in league history with only 33 possible games to build that mark.
Tebow played four years and is not even in the top 50 of SEC rushers of all time. You can make an argument for best QB or player, but not rusher.
Tebow played four years and is not even in the top 50 of SEC rushers of all time. You can make an argument for best QB or player, but not rusher.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:24 am to OliverQueen81
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Tim Tebow is the greatest sec player period. He was best qb and rb in sec history.
Are you saying this nonsense just to get a reaction?
Tebow was not even the best quarterback in Florida history. He was never a running back. But you know that.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:40 am to AubieinNC2009
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Dude most of your list never played in the SEC. If you are talking SEC backs not some back at a school that played weak teams and is not even in the SEC then we can talk.
But when it comes down to SEC backs EVERYONE knows its either BO or Herschel
In the "Old SEC" I agree with your suggestion that Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson were by far the best, but my final vote goes to Herschel.
With regards to the new SEC, it's more complicated. In fact one could argue that number of outstanding running backs added by Oklahoma and Texas alone is comparable to the existing conference's stable of backs.
Some of y’all might disagree and it's understandable as only recently has cable/satellite tv been available in trailer parks.
Us Texans (real Texans from Austin) will do our best to educate you backwoods country folk on the history of Red River football.
Hook'em
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:12 am to koreandawg
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If we're talking stats, dominant player on team and the team's accomplishments....it's not close.
Never finished lower than third in Heisman voting.
Never lost an SEC game.
Lost three games total in his career. Two of those to the National champion of that year.
Won the National Championship.
In the National Championship game, had more total yards than his team.
Still holds the total rushing yards career record after only playing three seasons. His seasons were 11 game seasons. His bowl games are not counted in his stats.
How many times are Georgia fans going to call the sugar bowl against #7 Notre Dame a national championship game?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:12 am to GAT BoilerPickle Doc
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In the "Old SEC" I agree with your suggestion that Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson were by far the best, but my final vote goes to Herschel.
With regards to the new SEC, it's more complicated. In fact one could argue that number of outstanding running backs added by Oklahoma and Texas alone is comparable to the existing conference's stable of backs.
Some of y’all might disagree and it's understandable as only recently has cable/satellite tv been available in trailer parks.
Us Texans (real Texans from Austin) will do our best to educate you backwoods country folk on the history of Red River football.
Hook'em
You should see by the responses to this thread that nobody cares about your shitty troll.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:13 am to SpotCheckBilly
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I saw them play too. They were at a different level that the rest of the players on the field. While I would take Bo, I know the UGA fans out there will always choose Herschel and I understand why. You can't go wrong either way.
Yeah, Georgia fans will bring up the NFL when comparing Bo and Walker.
But when you want to bring up Henry in the NFL, well that's different.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:15 am to DawgsLife
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Well, considering how many yards he threw for it meets the very definition of prolific.
It's easy to be prolific when Clemson was keying in on Henry and forgetting that Howard was even on the field. Every single reception he made in that game there wasn't a defender within five yards.
YouTube - O.J. Howard vs. Clemson
There's a reason why Howard was the 2016 CFP National Championship Game MVP.
Coker to Howard: 5/5 208 yards 2 TDs
Coker to rest of team: 11/20 127 yards 0 TDs
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:17 am to Pulpwood Patterson
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Well for the record, I don’t find the distinction of ranking any more credentialing than you find the distinction of P5. Walker lost to 3 teams in his entire career. Won the SEC every year he was in college.
1981 National Champion Clemson
1982 National Champion Penn State
1981 Dan Marino led Pittsburg on a last second TD. And to your point, Clemson was unranked. Why didn’t I look at individual games? Because it’s unnecessary brain damage for such a cut and dry case.
Rankings are a sign of respect. The SEC was not as respected in the late 70’s early 80’s as it is today. As evidence of the fact that 7-8 SECT are routinely in the top 25 now.
Walker played in the SEC, and Vandy’s no juggernaut but they were more competitive then than now and they’re certainly at or above any directional state U, of which AL played several. What would strengthen your argument is that Henry didn’t rack up a bunch of yards on the nobody teams. At your suggestion, I did check (thanks) and noticed that the ONE great season he had the yards were spread pretty evenly. However, again, the best SEC RB ever doesn’t have have one good season.
Georgias culture for 100 years of football has been running the ball and great defense. In 1979 they were a 6-5 team. They didn’t have a passing game in 79 either. In one year they went from that to 12-0 NC. What do you think the difference was? From 2012 to 2013, Alabama went from NC to not winning the SEC. Alabama went backwards when they acquired Henry. He came into a program that had won back to back NC, went two years without starting or winning the NC.
And the greatest RB ever, doesn’t go to the NFL and sit the bench for two years.
You’ll find more agreement on HW being the greatest CFB player ever than for any other individual.
You can think Henry is the best RB in SEC history as “best” can never be completely objective. But you’re in light light light company.
Yeah I just don't care about your, or anyone else's, terrible logic.
According to people like you, it will be impossible for any RB to be better than Walker simply because offenses are more balanced.
These arguments have absolutely nothing to do with talent or what they've accomplished.
Hell, by the logic of you and others, you can put Walker on a modern teams, and even though he was the exact same player/person, he could never be as good as 1980 Walker, "because the game has changed".
In the end, I think the inability for some of you to take into account the way the game has changed is your own lack of intelligence, and isn't at all a valid argument in this debate.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:19 am to 3down10
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How many times are Georgia fans going to call the sugar bowl against #7 Notre Dame a national championship game?
By winning the game, Georgia won the national championship. But it was not #1 against #2, so it wasn't really a national championship game.
Kind of a weird thing to stress about, though.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:22 am to Knowshon5Dolla
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By winning the game, Georgia won the national championship. But it was not #1 against #2, so it wasn't really a national championship game.
Kind of a weird thing to stress about, though.
Because an actual national championship game is #1 vs #2. Where the winner of the game is the national champion, no matter who wins the game.
If it doesn't matter, why then won't Georgia fans just say it was a bowl game win against #7 Notre Dame? Because by saying national championship game, they get to imply #1 vs #2.
In the end, it was the only ranked team Georgia played that entire year.
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